Celebrate Diversity

[Felicia Katt]

Typical buffet table self professed "libertarian".

You admit you`re not a true libertarian and only agree with certain ideological points that suit yourself.

Government cannot create marriage any more than it can create jobs. If you WERE a libertarian you would understand the difference between the legal and organic.

You`re caught in a self-contradiction.Not wanting government to define marriage,but wanting it to define marriage,only as you see fit.

Speaking of buffets, you try to dish it out, but you don't take it. You didn't answer my question, at all. What are you? and what could be more self contradictory than someone who likes t-girls and pornography yet supports those who marginalize or criminalize that world? Government doesn't create marriage, but it recognizes it and rewards it, and presently it unfairly excludes some people from those benefits. As much as I would like to self define my life, the reality is that the government will always limit my ability to do so, and when it does, I want it done fairly, and not arbitrarily.

FK

[White_Male_Canada]

Typical buffet table self professed "libertarian".

You admit you`re not a true libertarian and only agree with certain ideological points that suit yourself.

Government cannot create marriage any more than it can create jobs. If you WERE a libertarian you would understand the difference between the legal and organic.

You`re caught in a self-contradiction.Not wanting government to define marriage,but wanting it to define marriage,only as you see fit.

Speaking of buffets, you try to dish it out, but you don't take it. You didn't answer my question, at all. What are you? and what could be more self contradictory than someone who likes t-girls and pornography yet supports those who marginalize or criminalize that world? Government doesn't create marriage, but it recognizes it and rewards it, and presently it unfairly excludes some people from those benefits. As much as I would like to self define my life, the reality is that the government will always limit my ability to do so, and when it does, I want it done fairly, and not arbitrarily.

FK

So you admit to being in favor of government sponsored legal contracts called certificates of marriage. Hardly a libertarian point of view.

Government does create marriage,in the form of legal contracts and certificates.Government has no business legally acknowledging marriage,selling certificates,creating data bases,conferring rights based on the certificates,granting tax deductions,etc.

In our world,you wish to "marry" someone,sign your own binding legal contract and put a ring on your finger.Why persist in attempting to conform to the patriarchal standard as defined by government.

What you want done "fairly and not arbitarily" is not fair,but purely subjective. You would confer to one group,while denying the same rights to the next aggrieved minority in line,be they polygamists,beastialists,or NAMBLA.

[TrueBeauty TS]

Speaking of buffets, you try to dish it out, but you don't take it. You didn't answer my question, at all. What are you? and what could be more self contradictory than someone who likes t-girls and pornography yet supports those who marginalize or criminalize that world? Government doesn't create marriage, but it recognizes it and rewards it, and presently it unfairly excludes some people from those benefits. As much as I would like to self define my life, the reality is that the government will always limit my ability to do so, and when it does, I want it done fairly, and not arbitrarily.

FK

So you admit to being in favor of government sponsored legal contracts called certificates of marriage. Hardly a libertarian point of view.

Government does create marriage,in the form of legal contracts and certificates.Government has no business legally acknowledging marriage,selling certificates,creating data bases,conferring rights based on the certificates,granting tax deductions,etc.

In our world,you wish to "marry" someone,sign your own binding legal contract and put a ring on your finger.Why persist in attempting to conform to the patriarchal standard as defined by government.

Why can't you answer the questions being put to you? What political party do you belong to, or believe in?

[White_Male_Canada]

Why can't you answer the questions being put to you? What political party do you belong to, or believe in?

Hardly relevant,but none.

But to satiate all of your curiousities,mainly libertarian,somewhat classical liberal and a little conservative.

Yeah,that means i`m a huge fire-arms owner too.So don`t B&E my home at night

PS: you put your faith in political parties ! ? how small.

[max web]

Hi all,

Just thought I would point out that the separation of church and state doesn't exist in the constitution, federalist papers, or declaration of independence.

The constitution only asserts that congress can make no laws affecting organized religions. Or congress can't touch religion. Religion did touch politics... Heck the school they taught in was where they worshiped on sundays is just one example.

Just to set the record correct on that one...


Enjoy

Max

[bootlova]

I love this post

[TrueBeauty TS]

Why can't you answer the questions being put to you? What political party do you belong to, or believe in?

Hardly relevant,but none.

But to satiate all of your curiousities,mainly libertarian,somewhat classical liberal and a little conservative.

Yeah,that means i`m a huge fire-arms owner too.So don`t B&E my home at night

PS: you put your faith in political parties ! ? how small.

First of all, I never said that. Nice try.


Second of all, it would have saved everyone a lot of time if you would have just told everyone you were a troll right from the begining. How mainly libertarian,somewhat classical liberal and a little conservative of you.

Check please!

[Felicia Katt]

Once again, you didn't really answer the question. You criticize my "buffet" philosophy without really defining your own. "mainly libertarian,somewhat classical liberal and a little conservative", thats a smorgasbord, not an ideology. And you still haven't explained, given your apparent lack of support for gay rights and gay marriage, how your being here is not self contradictory or hypocritical?

I said I was a libertarian, but I never said I wasn't a pragmatist. Government and the institution of marriage are here and are not going away. Recognizing that, I want my Goverment to treat me fairly and equally and not limit my freedoms unreasonably. There are presently over 1000 benefits that a married man and woman have that a man and a transgender cannot have. Its a matter of practicality, not patriarchy.

FK

[Ecstatic]

Felicia saved your skin by pasting the 1st and not delving into the historical aspects? Hardly.

I didn't say Felicia saved my skin, I said she saved me from unraveling the issue of the separation of church and state for you. I don't need my skin saved, thank you very much.

I really have better things to do than banter with you since you're obviously right and we're obviously wrong. Gawd, I just love newbies on this friggin' board. Sigh.

[hondarobot]

Oh, come on, don't just give up on this guy. He doesn't sound stupid, although I'd have to say I personally think he's a neocon hiding behind the Libertarian shield (which in my opinion is stupid).

This thread has been great so far. White_Canadian_Male could turn out to be an interesting guy, and he's certainly entitled to his opinion, even if he might be a jerk.

If nothing else, it's interesting to hear opinions contrary to what most of us think here. Just my humble opinion on what I think has been an interesting thread.