Performance enhancers

[Donkey]

As usual, Dong is right.

[giovanni_hotel]

Right. There's still a difference between 'many', 'most' and 'all'.

All pro and amateur athletes in every major sport aren't on the gear.

[Donkey]

^ Stop being pedantic. His point is correct.

[giovanni_hotel]

When you talk about PEDs, you never say ALL because it makes you sound alarmist.

For instance there's a great deal of anecdotal evidence that many NFL players go on a cycle early in their career to put on more weight. They may do a cycle over the summer to put on 25 #, then hopefully with legal supplementation and weight training keep 10-15# of that weight throughout the season.

People who say all lead others to believe pro athletes are on multiple cycles of PEDs all year round when that isn't true.
If you're a 190# WR in HS, gaining 20# naturally in college over four years is normal. That player is unlikely to try juice because he doesn't need it.

Yes pro athletes use juice. In some sports the number may be close to half, maybe 60-65%. But all of them?? No.

[Donkey]

Again, stop being pedantic. You sound like an idiot.

[bluesoul]

I am clearly missing something here. i thought sport and athletics were about the natural and perhaps honed strength, skill, endurance and other physical qualities of individuals working alone or in teams. Once you introduce chemicals or drugs into the equation you are putting artificial elements into play. It is no longer athlete A it is athlete A who has taken X Y and Z. What a tragedy that we spoil the natural element of sport like this..

i'm with you. it's more surprising to me that some people consider it normal to take drugs and participate in sporting competitions. i was always under the impression that the whole point of being an athlete had everything to do with training (hard) and eating healthy and competing a lot

[cadillac]

i agree ,almost all use them..and the general population is unaware and clueless about them...

[buckjohnson]

Dong I think you are wrong. There is no empirical evidence tha pro basketball players take PED's, and a as former street and organized basketball player, never saw anyone take anything, ever!!! Most cats are scared of needles, cost is prohibitive, benefits limited, and most importantly, the best players don't do it.

no you're just uneducated on the subject as is the rest of the general population

[buckjohnson]

why?

My point is simply one of equality. Sport should be based on how's most talented and has worked the hardest, not on who has access to the best back alley chemist.

[freedom]

why?

why should talent and hard work be the deciding factors....? Are you kidding me?!