Skyfall

[bluesoul]

I'm not a fan of the New James Bond (though i am going to see it at the weekend). My favourite Bond remains Sean Connery. The Bond fiims then had a gentle sense of fun alongside the action - a wry sense of humour. Although they look pretty creaky compared to the visual power of the new films, that sense of fun has vanished I think. Bond now is just anothera ction hero.

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the new bond seems to be trying taking inspiration from the bourne series, which originally was an attempt at making an amerikan bond film of sorts. i even noticed the music has progressively gotten worse

[GroobySteven]

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the new bond seems to be trying taking inspiration from the bourne series, which originally was an attempt at making an amerikan bond film of sorts. i even noticed the music has progressively gotten worse

You clearly cannot remember the Timothy Dalton Bond's which were extremely Americanised. The Daniel Craig ones are more British in substance than many previous ons and the Adele theme is the best we've had for a while also, very reminiscent of the older Bassey type themes.

Have you actually seen it?

[bluesoul]

You clearly cannot remember the Timothy Dalton Bond's which were extremely Americanised. The Daniel Craig ones are more British in substance than many previous ons and the Adele theme is the best we've had for a while also, very reminiscent of the older Bassey type themes.

Have you actually seen it?

yes i saw an advance screening. i do remember the dalton years and didn't like those either (possibly worse than the brosnan years).

i actually like daniel craig a lot- i just don't like the direction/tone they've taken with the franchise. also disagree about the adele theme- but i think it's much better than the moby and alicia keys (i believe that was her) songs which were possibly the worst additions to the bond franchise. btw: when they didn't the recent retrospective on bond music, they curiously omitted anything after goldeneye

[MdR Dave]

I kind of like the Daniel Craig bond. Seems a bit more human, somehow, and less glamorous. Grittier, rougher.

My least favorite, though some of the villains were OK, were the Roger Moore films. Sooooooo cheesy. He just wasn't believable.

[robertlouis]

I'm not a fan of the New James Bond (though i am going to see it at the weekend). My favourite Bond remains Sean Connery. The Bond fiims then had a gentle sense of fun alongside the action - a wry sense of humour. Although they look pretty creaky compared to the visual power of the new films, that sense of fun has vanished I think. Bond now is just anothera ction hero.

I agree with you. The earliest of the canon followed the original novels pretty faithfully - I always liked Dr No, From Russia with Love - with Robert Shaw the best and most plausible villain - and the wonderful Goldfinger. Once the gadgets moved to centre screen, the importance of character became minor, to the detriment of the films - less grit, more glitz.

That said, Craig has given Bond back the hardness and animal quality that Connery showed and none of the others did. And I'm going to see it at the cinema too.

Well, it's Bond, innit?

[ed_jaxon]

RL I was going to say the same thing. I read a few of the novels when I was growing up and they were far more straight forward. I prefer Craig to any other Bond other than Connery. This is the first of the series that I have actually looked forward to since I was a kid.

[loveboof]

also disagree about the adele theme- but i think it's much better than the moby and alicia keys (i believe that was her)

You mean Jack White & Alicia Keys?

I think the Adele/Paul Epworth theme is actually pretty good for a bond theme...

It has the right feel imo.

[Avers]

>If you dislike Bond films so much, then why did you go and see this one?

I see the movies of JB because I like them. If I disliked the JB films "so much", there were no discussions about it. I simply could go and see any other film. But unfortunately the last one successful and well-made movie of this series was "The Casino Royal". The first one with Craig. All other movies have "zero" as final mark. These are the poor shades of previous series.

>The abandoned island is not saying anything about waning Chinese communism

Dou you really think so ? Or you simply prefer to don't see that ? There are no any useless details and episodes in modern USA/GB movies. In China people already make protests against this movie because of this episode with Mao. And you still thinks that it "is not saying anything" ?

[GroobySteven]

Dou you really think so ? Or you simply prefer to don't see that ? There are no any useless details and episodes in modern USA/GB movies. In China people already make protests against this movie because of this episode with Mao. And you still thinks that it "is not saying anything" ?

Please send me the link on where people are making protests about it in China? I do know this is the first the first Bond filmed in China.

"There are no any useless details and episodes in modern USA/GB movies." - that's a silly comment, sounds like a poor art teacher trying to prove a point. You need to include details to create mise en scene. If the casino had been in Russia and not Macao, the island and hence the statue would have been of Stalin. It was creating the scene. Seriously, you don't need to read into every little item and to criticise a film beause of something you've read into it (yet nobody else seems to) it's a little weak.

Liking any film is subjective but I fail to see how anyone who likes the proper Bond films, doesn't see this as one of the best to the series there has been, and certainly not to rate it a zero.

[Prospero]

I suspect that one of the problems with Avers' posts - and the points he is making - is that English is clearly not his first language and he may have used Google translate or Babelfish or something similar to render it into English. I've tried to use those tools to translate various obscure stuff from say Serbian or Catalonian into English and it produces a high degree of nonsense. That's my generous view of his remarks.