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    From what I can tell the greater issues are what the pipeline will transport than the pipeline itself...


    Dirty tar sands oil
    Pollution from tar sands oil greatly eclipses that of conventional oil. During tar sands oil production alone, levels of carbon dioxide emissions are three times higher than those of conventional oil, due to more energy-intensive extraction and refining processes. The Keystone XL pipeline would carry 900,000 barrels of dirty tar sands oil into the United States daily, doubling our country's reliance on it and resulting in climate-damaging emissions equal to adding more than six million new cars to U.S. roads.

    Water waste
    During the tar sands oil extraction process, vast amounts of water are needed to separate the extracted product, bitumen, from sand, silt, and clay. It takes three barrels of water to extract each single barrel of oil. At this rate, tar sands operations use roughly 400 million gallons of water a day. Ninety percent of this polluted water is dumped into large human-made pools, known as tailing ponds, after it’s used. These ponds are home to toxic sludge, full of harmful substances like cyanide and ammonia, which has worked its way into neighboring clean water supplies.



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    The tar sands industry is only really profitable now because of the price of oil per barrel; conventional and unconventional hydrocarbons will continue to attract big money and because petroleum is a strategic resource be close to politics (rather than say, the biscuit industry). As I pointed out in an earlier post, the US does not actually have a bad record on alternatives, this article by Elisabeth Rosenthal in last month's NYT gives a different perspective on the energy mix in the USA; it's not all as bad as you might think -but there is still a long way to go, if there ever is an equilibrium on energy in the future...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/su....html?hpw&_r=0



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavros View Post
    The tar sands industry is only really profitable now because of the price of oil per barrel; conventional and unconventional hydrocarbons will continue to attract big money and because petroleum is a strategic resource be close to politics (rather than say, the biscuit industry). As I pointed out in an earlier post, the US does not actually have a bad record on alternatives, this article by Elisabeth Rosenthal in last month's NYT gives a different perspective on the energy mix in the USA; it's not all as bad as you might think -but there is still a long way to go, if there ever is an equilibrium on energy in the future...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/su....html?hpw&_r=0
    There is no argument left to the natural flow of market dynamics that the more exotic forms of fossil fuels being brought to market, be it deep open ocean drilling, tar sand and/or fracking use those awful and destructive chemicals from Halliburton will continue unchecked.

    And cap and trade among other targeted behavior based tax policies could go along was to accelerate the adoption and development of alternatives. This is why IMHO special interests have spent so much money to advance candidates that won't peruse such policies and promoted junk science in an effort to debunk climate change warnings.

    To me the ironic thing is even if the science behind climate change wasn't correct, fossil fuel is a dirty, non-renewable energy source and moving away from it is an eventually. Doing it sooner promises the dawn of the next great economic bubble, one that will have greater long term pinnings under it than sub-prime loans did, but rather would create a new, lasting economy and improved lives for citizens as did the Internet bubble and the mass production bubble post WWI.

    The current situation would be like horse breeders killing the car, right down to fact here we metaphorically are sitting in a pile of horse shit.



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    Money (concentrated corporate capital) controls our political system...
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    The Keystone XL pipeline defeat is one goal in the game, and we're way behind:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...e?CMP=soc_3156



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    Lesser souls might say, "I told you so."
    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...e-than-thought


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    But we know you got more soul, baby.

    So, is this leak gonna adversely affect both the non-attorney jobs the pipeline's created?



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    It's not the few American Citizens still left in the state of Texas that don't like it, it's the Mexicans that have taken over thru attrition & immigration that don't like it. They've long considered this their country despite what the impotent American people would say about it so what the hell now they've got Hollywood on their side! Besides, in a few more years it'll be handed back over to the Mexican government anyway when the already signed North American Security Treaty is fully enacted. I believe the date Vicente Fox put on it a few years back was 2021 or something like that.


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    So build the wall in Oklahoma. Andele gringo. Usted no debe perderse.


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