Make Sure You Have Valid Photo ID!

[Faldur]

Well, they are requiring certain photo ID, not necessarily a driver's license, so your argument about a voter test is really a non-starter. However, like I mentioned earlier, I do think it could be considered a poll tax unless they give them out for free.

Lets just make sure we also include the label welfare and food stamp tax right along with poll. You can't get either of those without valid id.

[buttslinger]

I really have to laugh at all these people who are beside themselves ..blah blah blah....so forgive me if I'm not all broke the fuck up about someone producing an ID at a voting booth..

When Mitt loses this year, I'm betting Karl Rove and his buddies are going to sit down and figure out how to put a muzzle on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. Sane people don't like Akin, Christine O'Donnel and Sarah Palin. They've made the Republican Party into a JOKE.
Sit in your little pity pool of prejudice, Knees, watch the real world go on without you.
Every Day the Republican Party is becoming YESTERDAY's NEWS.

America is about people, not ID cards.
REGISTER AND VOTE!!!!

[buttslinger]

Lets just make sure we also include the label welfare and food stamp tax right along with poll. You can't get either of those without valid id.

I blame the poor people for everything!!!!

[Prospero]

A near miss for the lunatic fringe in Kansas.....


Manhattan man drops challenge to Obama on state ballot
OPEKA — A Kansas man said Friday that he's dropping his objection to President Barack Obama being listed on the state's November ballot, a day after top officials delayed a decision on his challenge and said they wanted to gather additional information.

Joe Montgomery, a 51-year-old Manhattan, Kanas resident, told the Kansas secretary of state's office in an email that he and those around him faced "animosity and intimidation" over his objection to Obama's candidacy for re-election. Montgomery argues that Obama is not eligible to serve as president and questions whether Obama has a valid birth certificate.

The notion that Obama was born anywhere other than in Hawaii has long been discredited, and the White House released his long-form birth certificate last year. Hawaii officials also have repeatedly confirmed his citizenship. His mother was a Kansas native.

The State Objections Board reviewed Montgomery's objection Thursday to the president's candidacy but postponed a decision so the secretary of state's office could obtain documents authenticating a copy of Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii that's available online. Secretary of State Kris Kobach serves as the board's chairman.

"There has been a great deal of animosity and intimidation directed not only at me, but at people around me, Montgomery wrote in his email, adding that he doesn't want to burden personal and professional associates with "more of this negative reaction."

Montgomery's plans to drop his challenge were first reported by the Manhattan Mercury. The Objections Board would be the final word on whether Obama appears on the ballot as the Democratic Party's nominee, absent a court challenge. Kobach and its other members, Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer, are all Republicans, and Montgomery is a registered Republican, according the secretary of state's office.

Kobach said the board still will meet Monday to formally close the case and add whatever additional information is available to the record.

"There's no possibility of Obama's name coming off the ballot when there's no objection," Kobach said.

Montgomery not only questions the validity of Obama's birth certificate but also argues that he wouldn't be eligible to serve as president anyway because his father was from Kenya. That's another argument circulating on the Internet and among members of the so-called "birther" movement.

He did not immediately return a telephone message or email seeking further comment Friday.

Montgomery declined Thursday to disclose his employer, saying he'd filed the objection as a private citizen. But Kansas State University confirmed Friday that he works as the communications coordinator for its College of Veterinary Medicine, a position financed privately through its nonprofit, fundraising arm, the Kansas State University Foundation.

Jeff Morris, the university's vice president for communications and marketing, said that Montgomery is acting as a private citizen, and the university respects his free speech rights.

"We have people on campus with lots of different political views," he said.

Kobach and the other board members faced criticism for delaying a decision to reject Montgomery's objection. Kansas Democrats labeled it frivolous, and an attorney for Obama's campaign said in a letter that the allegations were "tired" and "utterly baseless."

But Kobach — who once suggested during his successful 2010 campaign that Obama would quell doubts about his status by releasing his long-form birth certificate — said Kansas law requires the board to hear all objections.

Background before the fool saw the error of his ways - i.e. acting as a lightning rod for the ridicule ridicule which this would bring on the Republican party.


Going Birther: Kansas Secretary of State Considering Barring Obama from Ballot
Posted on September 13, 2012 by Glenn Church


The birthers just won’t go away. No matter how convincing the facts and the complete lack of any evidence that Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii, birtherism has reared its ugly head again. This time the place is Kansas.

Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who coincidentally backs Mitt Romney, met with Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer as part of the State Objections Board to determine if there is enough evidence to keep Obama on the Kansas ballot.

They deferred a decision until Monday because the Obama campaign would not play games with them by sending a representative.

Clearly, these three gentlemen have never Googled. If they had, they would have seen that officials from the state of Hawaii, including Republican officials, verified that Obama’s birth certificate is there and valid. They might have also seen the short and long forms that the Obama campaign has released. Despite some birthers who claim these documents are forged, Hawaiian officials have never disputed that the birth certificates are anything but valid.

Perhaps these elected officials of Kansas are just upset that the birther convention once planned for this month in Arizona was canceled for a lack of interest. This must be their way to express their frustration from taking a vacation in the Arizona sun.

That Kansas officials are questioning Obama’s right to be a candidate for president is ironic because both Obama’s mother and maternal grandparents are natives of Kansas. That should answer the question by itself.

Did I mention that these three Kansas officials are all Republicans? Normally, I try to avoid party designations as foolishness crosses ideology, but in this case it is highly relevant.

The State Objections Board is waiting for a response from Hawaii or for the Obama campaign to appear. All the Obama campaign did was send a letter stating that there was no merit to the charge that Obama was ineligible to be on the ballot.

All this stems from a Kansas resident who filed a complaint that Obama is not a natural-born citizen, as the Topeka Capital-Journal reports:

Joe Montgomery, who filed the ballot challenge with the all-Republican panel, said the president’s father held British and Kenyan citizenship, making Obama ineligible to run for the nation’s highest office.

Montgomery pointed to a handful of U.S. Supreme Court cases to support his claim a presidential candidate must be a “natural born citizen” from two American citizens.

“As for Mr. Obama’s citizenship, there are many doubts,” he said. “Doing the right thing can be hard and unpopular.”

Montgomery also argued that the birth certificate Obama released to the public has been forged. That is an argument that has made its way to those who either don’t want to or are unable to look at simple facts.

The long-form birth certificate that Obama released was scanned. Over-the-counter scanning equipment makes layers on all documents. Yet these birthers believe that the Obama campaign, which would have been able to miraculously perpetuate a 50-year fraud of his birth, would then make a third-rate document pieced together like a grade school photoshopping job.

In addition, Montgomery’s claim that someone can only hold the office of the presidency or vice-presidency if both parents are American citizens grossly distorts history and American law.

Dual citizenship or citizenship of a parent from another country does not prevent someone from being president. Many former presidents have held dual citizenships or the right to acquire them, including Ulysses Grant, Franklin Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, William Taft, Harry Truman, Gerald Ford and Lyndon Johnson who were eligible for French citizenship.

Obama has never made an effort to claim British or Kenyan citizenship so the dual citizenship argument is just as baseless as it was for the above-mentioned presidents.

Others have had a parent born in another country. These include Chester Arthur (Ireland), Dwight Eisenhower (Germany), Thomas Jefferson (England), James Buchanan (Ireland), Woodrow Wilson (England) and Herbert Hoover (Canada). Arthur may even have been born in Canada.

Birthers like to argue that most of the parents in question with these presidents acquired their US citizenship by the time of the president’s birth. That would not be the case with Obama, birthers like to argue, since his father never was an American citizen.

The problem with this argument is that when Spiro Agnew became vice-president no one questioned if he was a natural-born citizen. As vice-president, he must have the same eligibility as the president. There is contradictory evidence if Agnew’s father was a naturalized citizen at the time of his birth.

The fact is that no one seriously questioned Agnew’s qualifications to be president, or even Arthur’s and the other presidents. That is because once someone is born in the United States, that person is a citizen. The only distinction American law makes in different classes of citizenship is that a president must be born in the United States, not naturalized.

Contrary to the assertion that the Supreme Court has offered guidelines on what a natural-born citizen is, their rulings have been ambiguous. One reason is that the Founders never left a clear definition on what that is. The other reason is that the Supreme Court does not want to further fracture the rights of citizenship than it already stands between those born and naturalized. In a republic, citizens are supposed to be equal. The Orwellian-birther view that some citizens are more equal than others just doesn’t cut it.

This entire issue is bogus. The three Kansas officials should be ashamed that they are using their offices for pure political trickery. They are simply boxing themselves into a corner because the state of Hawaii is not going to arrive quickly to their aid. Arizona’s Secretary of State ran around in circles for weeks while trying to have Hawaii provide evidence that Obama had a valid birth certificate. Kobach and his birther friends don’t have that much time.

If Kobach does bar Obama from the ballot, a state he has very little chance of winning anyway, it will generate a constitutional crisis that will only enhance Obama’s chances of victory.

It will be fun to watch them wiggle out of the hole they have dug for themselves.

[trish]

Well, they are requiring certain photo ID, not necessarily a driver's license, so your argument about a voter test is really a non-starter. However, like I mentioned earlier, I do think it could be considered a poll tax unless they give them out for free.

Not intended as a complete argument but a counter those many very dense posters who keep suggesting that there's no problem 'cause everyone has a driver's license. To that end my argument is more than a starter, it finishes the objection.

Strange that no matter how many times one mentions Turzai's confession, no one has anything to say about it.

[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)

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[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)

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[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)

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[trish]

Usually, I just respond to other people's threads, but there's something important that needs addressed.

If you live in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Lousiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota or Tennessee and want to vote this year, make sure you have current valid photo ID, as it is now required in these states. Make sure your friends and family have ID as well.

This is especially critical if you live in one of these states that could go either way in this year's election. (Let's face it, we already know how Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee will be voting)

Also, if you live in Florida, make sure you are still registered to vote. They've been purging people from the rolls for political reasons.

Pass it along.

(Yes, this should probably go in the politics forum, but who actually goes there?)

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