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    Default Re: Why does this still feel "Unnatural"?

    The reason it feels unnatural to you is because your parents, religion, society and peers have socialized you into believeing it is so. There is nothing unnatural about it. Remove the societal judgement and all you have is two people interacting physically. Is oral sex between a man and a woman unnatural? Is kissing? Is it unnatural for two men to hold hands? Remove your personal judgement from it and you will see nothing unnatural about it.
    Perhaps the guilt and shame make up part of the attraction for you. To many people guilt and shame are a comfort zone because it is familiar. Perhaps the taboo element creates a sexual charge.
    You're very young. It's not unnatural to feel confused about sexuality. Write about it, talk about it, accept yourself.



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    Default Re: Why does this still feel "Unnatural"?

    You have hangups if you feel guilty for being sexually intimate with a TG. A therapist IMO isn't going to make it feel more 'natural' for you. Either it's something you can accept and feel comfortable about or it's not.

    Your hangups IMO are really about what OTHERS have told you is 'right' or 'wrong' to do sexually. You've got too many people in the bedroom.
    TGs are most of all PEOPLE. Forget focusing on just the sex. The more comfortable you are with the person in your bed, the less you'll be caught up by what others on the outside think.

    Yes someone is going to call you a faggot in denial. Goes with the territory.
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    Saying that it is “unnatural” is saying that you can’t find any such behaviour in nature. Well, we know this far that over 1500 different species have homosexual behaviours. And we’re just starting to study animals from this point of view, because of the moral restrictions put before on the subject. Any form of homosexuality is natural.
    We share more than 98% of our genetic material with chimpanzees. The one specie that has the greatest bisexual behaviour in nature is a type of chimps, the bonobos, who’s social exchanges are completely bisexuals; females have sex with other females by rubbing vulvas, and males with other males by penetration and rubbing, amongst other “homosexual” practices.
    Historically, pre-Christian societies for which we have sufficient information, namely the Ancient Greco-Romans and Persians, were all completely bisexuals. In ancient Greece, it was even a matter of pride for young men, for instance, to make a lot of male conquests. There was also a great number of effeminate men and transvestites, probably a lot of what we know today to be transsexuals. Christianity changed all that from about the IVth or Vth century of our era on, in the Western part of Europe, and probably even later in the Eastern part. Bisexuality still had a large place in the Eastern, Islamic part of the world later on, and namely in the Ottoman empire, all the way up to the XIXth century at least.
    Traditions related to people being born male and living as females has been present everywhere around the world for as long as we know. It’s been present forever amongst the aboriginal populations of the Americas as the “Two-Spirits” people; the Hijras in India; the Fa’afine and the Mahu mahu or Rae rae in Polynesia; the kathoeys in Thaďland; the Koçek in Turkey; there is a tradition of transsexuality and transvestism in Japan that was so important at some point in time that laws had to be taken by authorities against it; and it has been ever present in almost every other cultures worldwide for centuries and centuries.
    All these facts in themselves should show you that having sex with a transsexual woman certainly doesn’t have anything (but NOT ANYTHING) unnatural at all. But you also have to know that we understand more and more today, with the progress in neurology, that transsexualism is a biological condition, and that therefore it is completely natural.
    If you’re not yet convinced, please, be bold! just get on the internet and search for “homosexuality in animals”, search for “transsexuals”, etc.; you will find enough to engage in a reflection that goes way beyond the social repression we suffer to this day in our own society, and goes way beyond the short sited views of traditional judeo-christians attitudes we have been brainwashed with.
    Think by yourself, stop letting people think for you…
    I’m giving you here a few links you can consult on your own, and a few tube.
    Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    List of animals displaying homosexual behavior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx






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    Default Re: Why does this still feel "Unnatural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovecox View Post
    The reason it feels unnatural to you is because your parents, religion, society and peers have socialized you into believeing it is so. There is nothing unnatural about it. Remove the societal judgement and all you have is two people interacting physically. Is oral sex between a man and a woman unnatural? Is kissing? Is it unnatural for two men to hold hands? Remove your personal judgement from it and you will see nothing unnatural about it.
    Perhaps the guilt and shame make up part of the attraction for you. To many people guilt and shame are a comfort zone because it is familiar. Perhaps the taboo element creates a sexual charge.
    You're very young. It's not unnatural to feel confused about sexuality. Write about it, talk about it, accept yourself.
    I couldn't have said it any better.


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    Wow, all teh aids


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    Default Re: Why does this still feel "Unnatural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovecox View Post
    The reason it feels unnatural to you is because your parents, religion, society and peers have socialized you into believeing it is so. There is nothing unnatural about it. Remove the societal judgement and all you have is two people interacting physically. Is oral sex between a man and a woman unnatural? Is kissing? Is it unnatural for two men to hold hands? Remove your personal judgement from it and you will see nothing unnatural about it.
    Perhaps the guilt and shame make up part of the attraction for you. To many people guilt and shame are a comfort zone because it is familiar. Perhaps the taboo element creates a sexual charge.
    You're very young. It's not unnatural to feel confused about sexuality. Write about it, talk about it, accept yourself.
    I honestly don't think it has anything to do with Parents, society or religion. If I truly wanted something and I felt it was right to have it, I wouldn't let anything stop me from getting it. I'm just a conflicted individual, there's a part of me that thinks Transwomen are fascinating, beautiful women (They are). And there's another part of me deep inside that feels like it's very wrong for me to partake in that kind of lifestyle. And that's why the whole thing feels like a dilemma to me. Something I find funny is that people say once you discover Transwomen you can't go back? But I wasn't born liking Transwomen though, If I was then it would be a different story. I was born liking Genetic Women and Vagina. Discovering Transwomen led to those feelings reducing but they never went away and never will go away.

    I honestly think I will really consider therapy on this issue because I'm just tired of the war that goes on in my mind almost daily because of this. Thanks to everyone though for your opinions and support.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaco View Post
    I honestly don't think it has anything to do with Parents, society or religion. If I truly wanted something and I felt it was right to have it, I wouldn't let anything stop me from getting it. I'm just a conflicted individual, there's a part of me that thinks Transwomen are fascinating, beautiful women (They are). And there's another part of me deep inside that feels like it's very wrong for me to partake in that kind of lifestyle. And that's why the whole thing feels like a dilemma to me. Something I find funny is that people say once you discover Transwomen you can't go back? But I wasn't born liking Transwomen though, If I was then it would be a different story. I was born liking Genetic Women and Vagina. Discovering Transwomen led to those feelings reducing but they never went away and never will go away.

    I honestly think I will really consider therapy on this issue because I'm just tired of the war that goes on in my mind almost daily because of this. Thanks to everyone though for your opinions and support.
    You're the one telling me. Ever since I've educated myself about these subjects my entire philosophy of life has been altered. The only thing that will make you feel comfortable is time. Another way to think of your fancy, and the way I treat my openmindedness is: Theres nothing wrong with liking both, whichever I end up with doesn't matter to me, nor should it matter to anyone else but me. You need to start living free of the morals, ethics, etc. that conflict your desire, and to enjoy life.


    A person's gender is not defined karyotypically. What someone is born does not constrain them to that gender role for the rest of their life. No, gender identity is complex and only the bearer of that identity can decide for themselves.

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    Male who identifies as Hetero, considers TSes their preferred sex, and enjoys meeting people who are on societal fringes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovecox View Post
    The reason it feels unnatural to you is because your parents, religion, society and peers have socialized you into believeing it is so. There is nothing unnatural about it. Remove the societal judgement and all you have is two people interacting physically. Is oral sex between a man and a woman unnatural? Is kissing? Is it unnatural for two men to hold hands? Remove your personal judgement from it and you will see nothing unnatural about it.
    Perhaps the guilt and shame make up part of the attraction for you. To many people guilt and shame are a comfort zone because it is familiar. Perhaps the taboo element creates a sexual charge.
    You're very young. It's not unnatural to feel confused about sexuality. Write about it, talk about it, accept yourself.
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    Default Re: Why does this still feel "Unnatural"?

    I always feel like the most miserable person of the world after jerking off to lb-porn. it just isnt right.. especially cause i get much more excited about ts than ggs...



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    Default Re: Why does this still feel "Unnatural"?

    We are all of us part of nature. We are just one piece of the natural world. There is nothing else. Everything we do is natural. Everything. When people who understand this make the distinction between natural and otherwise they are usually alluding to the distinction between wild and domestic. I suggest that when you say that it feels "unnatural" you mean it feels civilized; something that is only done in domesticated societies. Sure enough without civilization the treatments and surgeries that make transgenders possible would be non-existent (outside the world of amphibians that is ). Welcome to modern civilization. Hope you're able to acclimate without too much difficulty.


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