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07-27-2012 #361
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Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
1. What weapons to ban fully?
2. What are we to make of the 2nd amendment if we start to infringe on it?
If you had 100% consensus and certain styles of firearms were outlawed on say August 1, what are you going to do about the tens of millions of firearms in the hands of private citizens ?
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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07-27-2012 #362
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Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
The line is simple. But first of all, "assault type" and "automatic" are not at all the same weaponry. "Assault type" was poorly defined in the expired assault weapons ban, as pointed out by loren, would technically have included a shitty black powder musket with a bayonet being classified as an "assault weapon" and therefore illegal. The government is simply full of idiots and the majority of those who wish to ban guns or "certain guns" know nothing about them more than "OMG FULL AUTO" and throw around words like "ASSAULT".
A semi automatic (one shot per pull of the trigger) rifle, like my AR-15 should be completely legal. Limitations of its magazine capacity are senseless. I am capable of exchanging mags easily and quickly whether it being 30 rounds or 10 rounds. This does not slow me much, nor inhibit my ability to induce damage against a target. A shotgun alone, can be fired by a person well enough to throw 5 or 6 rounds of buckshot into a crowd within several seconds. Should this be considered an assault weapon? Even a person armed with a bolt action rifle, magazine fed or not, can learn to reload fairly quickly and do significant damage in a spree. The ability to take down mass targets is not just dependent on walking into a crowded theater and spraying a full auto gun into it. Any person with a bolt action rifle could go rooftop and pop one after another into people like a sniper attack. This significantly impaired speed and capacity weapon is still capable of inducing dozens of deaths and injuries until police or a carrying civilian can stop the suspect. You can ban all the guns you want and this will not stop crazed people from using them to their tactical advantage in these types of attacks.
What kind of weapons should we ban? Is full auto necessary? It's all based opinion on what uses they would have and for when and why. Would overthrowing a violent regime be a reason like in Syria? Could the people in Syria or Libya even been capable of overthrowing the regime if they were totally unable access to full auto weapons? Unarmed populouses make for easy control. We can claim that places like the U.S. or Britain are perfect and could never ever turn against their people, but this has happened across the globe repeatedly for decades. Being prepared or thinking outside the box (just because I'm in America does not imply we will always be free and safe from tyranny). The right to bear arms was instated for this very reason. Not because our founders wanted them to hunt or shoot at targets for sport, but to defend themselves and the "PEOPLE" from those who wish to threaten the way of freedom and Democracy.
We keep saying that only trusted people should have guns. So everyone here says only cops and soldiers deserve them. Yet the Fort Hood massacre was done by a soldier. How many cops have unjustifiably murdered a civilian? How often do we hear of police or soldiers using excessive lethal force against unarmed people? How many civilians were killed in Iraq by our soldiers and how many war crimes have been covered up over the many decades our country has been at war across the globe? Why are civilians the only people who require such regulation and "trust"? The wearing of a badge or the wearing of a camouflage uniform does not imply superior trust and sanity, yet many of you seem to act like it does.
While owning grenades and bombs and nuclear weapons and a tank my be excessive for the typical civilian, a semi-automatic rifle, handgun, shotgun and the varied ammunition types that go with them are acceptable in my mind. Because I know better that in America, hundreds of other things will kill me long before I ever get shot by anyone.
Someone asked the question if an AK-47 is really necessary to defend your apartment. Well this depends on where you live. Gang violence and drug use are a growing threat in the country and the ability to defend your home with maximum ability to ensure holding off a horde of insane gangbangers is a reality in many cities around the country. Places like Chicago, Philly, Baltimore and border towns in Texas near Juarez, are hotspots of group gang violence and attacks in which one or two people are targeted by groups of violent offenders. While we can always dial 911 and expect the police to save us, response times are a joke in many areas and in my own experience, not fast enough to make me give up my arms for the idea that police can arrive to stop home invaders, kidnappers, rapists, murderers or other violent offenders in time. I am not the kind of person to give up my arms for that BS.
I've had my run ins with violent or what could have become violent situations on my property in the past. And dialing 911 only results in sitting on my ass holding off the morons for 15 minutes before one car rolls up and officer dipshit steps out to deal with the situation. This also implies that police are capable of not only arriving in time to save you, but also to arrest, charge, convict and imprison the offenders so that they will be incapable of ever being a threat to you again. It's not like you can call the cops on some idiot and they will never bother you again. I also know this from personal experiences that calling police is NEVER a deterrent. The only way I was capable of stopping offenders who targeted me for years when I was a teenager was to use threat of violent force against them as a deterrent. These bullies who harassed me with violence, threats and other verbal abuse and property damage NEVER stopped no matter how many times the police were called. The only reason these idiots gave up on me was my choice to acquire a weapon and threaten them with death, at which point I was never bothered again.
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07-27-2012 #363
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Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
We should adopt the Kennedy/Oswald Rule: Ban all guns that can fire one shot every 2.7 seconds.
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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08-02-2012 #364
Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
Chinese teen kills nine in knife attack
http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-teen-k...102629246.html
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08-03-2012 #365
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08-03-2012 #366
Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
Refer to Kitty's Post.
You're living in an alternate universe if you think anybody's turning any gun in after legally purchasing it. Your counter arguments are inane, and you draw illogical inferences. There are restrictions in place already...have you applied for a pistol permit in NYC recently? Or have you turned all your firearms in to the Mayor along with your 20 oz. slurpie cups?
A fetus as a person? Are you conceding that...or just using it for another illogical argument ?
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08-03-2012 #367
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Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
A fetus as a person? Are you conceding that...or just using it for another illogical argument ?
You're living in an alternate universe if you think anybody's turning any gun in after legally purchasing it.
There are restrictions in place already
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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08-03-2012 #368
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Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
If you are a maniac and just want to kill many people at random, you'd kill more by simply driving a car into a crowd at very high speed. That will kill more than with a semi-automatic weapon, at least.
It's pretty absurd that most Europeans (at least so it seems) and many Americans as well think that private citizens shouldn't have an undisputable right to own and carry guns but cops and soldiers should.
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08-03-2012 #369
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Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
It happens in Sweden from time to time that people turn in old unlicensed guns. Those guns weren't bought by the ones who turns them in, though, but rather by their grandfathers, since we have had "gun control" here since the 1920's.
Though my countrymen are pretty naïve and trusting the authorities. I hope that most Americans will never get that naïve.
There are also a few places in Europe where people have a sound view on guns, like Switzerland and the Czech Republic. The Czech Republic is by my knowledge the only country in Europe where any unpunished citizen can still get a license to carry. In the rest of Europe you might own a gun on the mercy of the authorities, but you can't legally carry it in self-defense, at least not by the letter of the law.
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08-03-2012 #370
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Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
my countrymen are pretty naïve and trusting the authorities.
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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