Who runs www.ashemaletube.com

[Wendy Summers]

Honestly, I didn't realise/didn't really rationalise whether it was probably totally illegal until you posted this, but frankly, given I pay well over £500 a year on various sites and contribute in plenty of other ways, I'm going to manage to sleep OK and continue to use the site. If it gets shut down, honestly, that'd be a pity for me for pure variety reasons, but not exactly catastrophic to my porn experience.

Kind of a selfish attitude given if you look at content of folks like Tara, Libby or myself there, you aren't stealing from the Industry - you're participating in stealing from us. A number of us are our own production companies - financing our porn out of our own income - so spending "£500 a year on various sites and contribute in plenty of other ways" is in no way a legitimate moral rationalization for for the theft. £500 wouldn't even cover the cost of 1 months production on my website and that's before I see any income in my own pocket.

If you like a girl; if you like content: BUY IT! Other wise we all go away and don't make any more.

[BluegrassCat]

Two charts from google analytics showing unique daily visitors for first, the site-that-shall-not-be-named.com and second, Grooby.com (the scales are very different). I wonder if SeanChai or other industry folks would comment on whether there's a relationship here or if this is even the proper comparison or if there's some other crowding-out data.

Thanks.

[Nowhere]

You know,

I may have not said this before, but this isn't ever going to end until you get sort of an "itunes" for porn. Even if the the videos are pulled or the site is shut down, another one will pop up right in it's place. You need something BETTER than it, and perceived as affordable, and people will flock to it.

What I mean by an "itunes" for porn is this:

1. Somthing private, since no one wants any bill coming back with anything related to porn that someone else can read, especially tporn
2. Something widespread and easily usable everywhere, namely at least equally easy to use as the current 'free' sites
3. Something where the quality is consistently good
4. Something that, at least, appears to always be in people's 'disposable income" budget.

That's why people left using torrents for movies on the internet via Netflix, Itunes, vuvu, etc. It was:

1. Something billing could be kept private (although not as important as porn)
2. Easily and immediately usable. Just point and click and you get it, with the bare minimum, at least being able to stream immediately, which was equal or better to illegal torrents
3. The quality was consistently good, which quality includes the download time, which made it more worthwhile than spending 6 hours waiting to get a movie that might or might not be a wobbly version of the dark knight rises filmed at a shed in China.
4. Buying a movie (or a song) was only a few to maybe 20 dollars each, which registers as "ok" for most people.

This is the same thing.

I am quite sure if there was a porn equivalent to itunes, as I just listed, all the people who use would be more than happy to pay, say, $1 per play per scene. After all, what's a dollar?

But, more importantly, they'd also likely see well more than one scene a day, which would make it be like up to $60-90 per person per month (the creep effect, like all the additional costs for ticketmaster or airlines). And, they'd especially like it if bascially none of the porn were kept on their computer (privacy), especially in the cloud. And, they can have all their stars and the scenes they're in, linked, with social interaction, like what's on that site, link it to cams, starts' sites, etc. And, just like itunes, the money can go directly to the media creator, whether it is an individual or a studio.

See how that's the only real solution?

Otherwise you're chasing a ghost forever. And, sure, there will always be some black market. And, there will always be moonshine. But, why would I get moonshine, when I can get Belvedere with the cash in my pocket anywhere and everywhere I go (and I don't have to keep on re-registering at ever single store to get it).

It's the same thing as the "Game of Thrones" cartoon explaining it:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

[Wendy Summers]

Two charts from google analytics showing unique daily visitors for first, the site-that-shall-not-be-named.com and second, Grooby.com (the scales are very different). I wonder if SeanChai or other industry folks would comment on whether there's a relationship here or if this is even the proper comparison or if there's some other crowding-out data.

Thanks.

My day job is all about analytics and your comparison here's pretty poorly framed and likely wouldn't yield any valuable or tell tale data. First, you've selected a non-content blog website for Grooby - not a fair test; Second, I'm assuming the website in question doesn't feature simply TS porn; without a way to accurately segment their traffic into TS porn there will be too much noise. Third, you'd truly need some sort of test/ control. Given Grooby's largely policed and restricted illegal content from their website they COULD serve as a control group for say an analysis on Shemale Stokers who's done largely nothing to protect their content; Fourth this only talks about traffic to the website... not sales... which really is the gold standard. To do a real survey of the impact you'd need to look both at traffic and conversion rates of the traffic.

That's off the top of my head.

[lifeisfiction]

Ohh, so you're an analyst, now that makes a lot of sense. So I guess you have charts on everyone

[GroobyKrissy]

You know,

I may have not said this before, but this isn't ever going to end until you get sort of an "itunes" for porn. Even if the the videos are pulled or the site is shut down, another one will pop up right in it's place. You need something BETTER than it, and perceived as affordable, and people will flock to it.

What I mean by an "itunes" for porn is this:

1. Somthing private, since no one wants any bill coming back with anything related to porn that someone else can read, especially tporn
2. Something widespread and easily usable everywhere, namely at least equally easy to use as the current 'free' sites
3. Something where the quality is consistently good
4. Something that, at least, appears to always be in people's 'disposable income" budget.

That's why people left using torrents for movies on the internet via Netflix, Itunes, vuvu, etc. It was:

1. Something billing could be kept private (although not as important as porn)
2. Easily and immediately usable. Just point and click and you get it, with the bare minimum, at least being able to stream immediately, which was equal or better to illegal torrents
3. The quality was consistently good, which quality includes the download time, which made it more worthwhile than spending 6 hours waiting to get a movie that might or might not be a wobbly version of the dark knight rises filmed at a shed in China.
4. Buying a movie (or a song) was only a few to maybe 20 dollars each, which registers as "ok" for most people.

This is the same thing.

I am quite sure if there was a porn equivalent to itunes, as I just listed, all the people who use a*shemale*tu*be would be more than happy to pay, say, $1 per play per scene. After all, what's a dollar?

But, more importantly, they'd also likely see well more than one scene a day, which would make it be like up to $60-90 per person per month (the creep effect, like all the additional costs for ticketmaster or airlines). And, they'd especially like it if bascially none of the porn were kept on their computer (privacy), especially in the cloud. And, they can have all their stars and the scenes they're in, linked, with social interaction, like what's on that site, link it to cams, starts' sites, etc. And, just like itunes, the money can go directly to the media creator, whether it is an individual or a studio.

See how that's the only real solution?

Otherwise you're chasing a ghost forever. And, sure, there will always be some black market. And, there will always be moonshine. But, why would I get moonshine, when I can get Belvedere with the cash in my pocket anywhere and everywhere I go (and I don't have to keep on re-registering at ever single store to get it).

It's the same thing as the "Game of Thrones" cartoon explaining it:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

I think this has been discussed ad nauseam before and although the reasoning sounds coherent on the surface, its premise is fatally flawed. You simply cannot compare mainstream media with porn... the two are not related (although I'll obviously concede the point that there is crossover).

Briefly, with mainstream anything, you're not dealing with laws, social behavior, 'taboos', and etc. I don't believe an iTunes model would work for the porn environment. All you'd be doing is making it less expensive and easier for those who want to rip off creative content. As I stated before, for those who want to, the price is typically not the objection. Without going into all the psychology behind it, it is the adulation and power that most content thieves want. Anyway... you just can't get over the fatal flaw at the premise of this reasoning...?

[onmyknees]

Damn...that's calis and as someone suggested.......milicious. A 2 minute tube vid is one thing...the entire site content is something far more damaging. I see no difference if someone stole a motorcyle I built from a public parking lot. Try seeking relief from the city....good luck. It reminds me of shopkeepers who have to pay protection money to thugs. They're damned if they do....really damned if they fight it. I like Tara enough to join her site...maybe I'll do that.

[BluegrassCat]

My day job is all about analytics and your comparison here's pretty poorly framed and likely wouldn't yield any valuable or tell tale data. First, you've selected a non-content blog website for Grooby - not a fair test; Second, I'm assuming the website in question doesn't feature simply TS porn; without a way to accurately segment their traffic into TS porn there will be too much noise. Third, you'd truly need some sort of test/ control. Given Grooby's largely policed and restricted illegal content from their website they COULD serve as a control group for say an analysis on Shemale Stokers who's done largely nothing to protect their content; Fourth this only talks about traffic to the website... not sales... which really is the gold standard. To do a real survey of the impact you'd need to look both at traffic and conversion rates of the traffic.

That's off the top of my head.

This is a quick and dirty comparison using what google provides. The other site is the ts-tube site that's blocked on here so it is only ts porn. So do you have any data on this?

[SammiValentine]

Your data shows a tubes growth from start date to present day and how it has gained traffic in a relatively short amount of time, and we all know how and why I am not quite clear on what your trying to say re the data tbh.

[Ecstatic]

You're preaching to the converted. I've been trying to get people onto this for years and only a handful have came forward and offered (like Ms. Valentine, Krissy, etc.) most of the bigger companies are too lazy or just making enough money of their models sites to really bother about working with others. A group of us on an tranny adult webmaster board (see PM) have been active against pirates for a few yrs by working together, this includes Ecstatic, Krissy, LB69 group, etc. and Grooby has had a lot of success against piracy and known as a company that has quite the opposite to the "meh" attitude.
I've had to learn in the past few yrs that as passionate as I can be about this and helping people out with anti-piracy, hasn't returned the same favours from those other companies, so we've became more insular and watched out for ourselves as well as few solo girls and friends/colleagues websites.

It's an uphill battle, no doubt, but Seanchai has been a leader--maybe the leader--in this battle and us smaller companies and individuals owe Grooby a lot of thanks for this effort. I host Krissy's site, and she and I have fought many a battle against hackers and password sharers and the like. I've implemented a range of security features on the server which help protect our content, but as Seanchai says, professionals can find their way around any such protection. I'm a good webmaster (16 years experience), and I have a tech support person who's one of the best IT gurus I've ever known, but it's still a struggle. DMCA whenever it comes up.

There's an old Taoist saying, from the Tao Te Ching, which says "he who owns much takes the lead in theft." But since we do own our intellectual property (photos, videos, etc.), then we have to do what we can to prevent and avert theft.