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    Quote Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy View Post
    I think this has been discussed ad nauseam before and although the reasoning sounds coherent on the surface, its premise is fatally flawed. You simply cannot compare mainstream media with porn... the two are not related (although I'll obviously concede the point that there is crossover).

    Briefly, with mainstream anything, you're not dealing with laws, social behavior, 'taboos', and etc. I don't believe an iTunes model would work for the porn environment. All you'd be doing is making it less expensive and easier for those who want to rip off creative content. As I stated before, for those who want to, the price is typically not the objection. Without going into all the psychology behind it, it is the adulation and power that most content thieves want. Anyway... you just can't get over the fatal flaw at the premise of this reasoning...?
    No, there is no flaw. It's really simple.

    People are lazy and if it's not really a pain, will properly pay for most things so that they'll avoid problems / annoyances (legal or just crappy media).

    It's really that simple. Do you know how annoying it is to have to register for every single different website out there? If all porn sites linked to a centralized system for purchasing, and even better, one that had a good database so you can find every scene of a single star or by type of porn, or a mix of that, etc, people would be all over it, versus the chaos of the current legal and illegal alternatives.

    And, you're WAY overthinking it if you think "adulation and power" is even at the level most people want. People just want EASY. That's it. Why would people rip things off when they can just pay for it, get better quality video, new stuff all the time, not have to search high and low for it, and it's just there, all for something they can afford? The fact that there's thousand and thousands of disconnected legal porn sites actually encourages people to create ones like this thread has, since it's one stop shopping (and it doesn't exist in a legal fashion). I feel the industry has been shooting itself in the foot in the current way it's been doing things, just like RIAA did before itunes and amazon music, things like that...



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    Quote Originally Posted by FRANKLIN View Post
    The funny thing is you can't download anything from her site. I was a member there were no download options.
    No download options? It's not my fault if you don't know how to right-click or (on a mac) crtl-click on the video icon and then select "save link as"

    I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the capabilities of your browser.

    And true, I don't do the whole zip file thing. I do infact want to make it a teensy weensy bit difficult to download everything (though some people seem to have programs that instantly know what I just put up and they do siterips).

    If I had my druthers, all the photos on the site would only be viewable when you're on the site, and would be non downloadable at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nowhere View Post
    No, there is no flaw. It's really simple.

    People are lazy and if it's not really a pain, will properly pay for most things so that they'll avoid problems / annoyances (legal or just crappy media).

    It's really that simple. Do you know how annoying it is to have to register for every single different website out there? If all porn sites linked to a centralized system for purchasing, and even better, one that had a good database so you can find every scene of a single star or by type of porn, or a mix of that, etc, people would be all over it, versus the chaos of the current legal and illegal alternatives.

    And, you're WAY overthinking it if you think "adulation and power" is even at the level most people want. People just want EASY. That's it. Why would people rip things off when they can just pay for it, get better quality video, new stuff all the time, not have to search high and low for it, and it's just there, all for something they can afford? The fact that there's thousand and thousands of disconnected legal porn sites actually encourages people to create ones like this thread has, since it's one stop shopping (and it doesn't exist in a legal fashion). I feel the industry has been shooting itself in the foot in the current way it's been doing things, just like RIAA did before itunes and amazon music, things like that...
    Come now... you really cannot see the difference between selling the latest Mariah Carey song and the latest scene of some girl getting her ass double penetrated by two big dicks... and logically follow those two business models to their conclusions?

    If you're saying that most people would (always) pay $1.99 for access to just one scene vs. $19.99 (sometimes) for access to an entire catalog of scenes when it comes to porn... ummm... NO. People who understand the obligation to pay for access to another person's creative work will pay for it regardless of price (within reason). People who do not, will not... regardless of price.

    If you're theorizing that an aggregation of all porn into one space would kill off piracy... that is also plain wrong. Piracy is just as rampant today in the music industry as it was before the creation of aggregated catalogs like iTunes... the difference is simply the method has changed. Aggregation of one's sexuality is far different from aggregation of ones musical taste.

    Think this through. There is really no reason why piracy exists (I'm talking beyond the pure $... which is obvious) apart from the fact that people want to be noticed. Money, sex, power. People are really much more simple that you think. Take money out of the equation and motivating factors usually come down to sex and power. In this case, sex is out and the only thing left is power... which translates to adulation from fellow thieves. That is a simplification of the process.

    What causes people to write responses such as yours is the need to alleviate ones' guilt over stealing by making excuses. Basically, your arguments come down to excuses.

    "People are lazy..." EXCUSE
    "...annoying it is to have to register..." EXCUSE
    "People just want it easy..." EXCUSE

    As stated, those who understand (and I think this is the vast majority) that one's creative work should be respected and compensated, will find a way to pay for access to it. Those who do not, will not. The arguments that it needs to be 'easier' or 'less expensive' are just excuses for those who cannot exercise the decency and self control to regulate their own lives and modify their behavior accordingly.

    I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but I really have no tolerance at all for those who try to justify piracy and / or usage of sites supporting it. I firmly believe that most everyone, deep down, understands that these sites are, in fact, stealing but a few make the conscious choice to ignore it by making excuses, however illogical.

    Apologies to the OP for tangents... I just hate letting people get away with lame arguments about this topic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tara Emory View Post
    If I had my druthers, all the photos on the site would only be viewable when you're on the site, and would be non downloadable at all.

    -tara

    Fetlife.com has that set up.



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    Quote Originally Posted by spko View Post
    Sometimes prevention is better than cure and protecting your livlihood also means investing money in the things we usually don't think matter. Many adult websites have all their content deeply embedded making it difficult to be be ripped and stolen digitally. You might want to have your site redesigned this way, it wont necessarily be expensive - you just have to know what to ask for then get people to test it throughly.

    If your sites security is outdated or badly designed then all it takes is one idiot to download all of your work and share it for free. The worst part is if they are a member they can keep doing it with whatever you upload.

    Redesign the site, get professionals to close the loopholes and give it a fresh facelist to entice new customers and old customers back.
    Yes, yes and yes (to the three suggestions at the end of your very helpful message), that's what I think I need to do..

    -Tara



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    Maybe you can begin by calling one of those TV attorneys that provide a free first consultation. They'll listen to your complaint and then tell you whether or not you have a case. You obviously do have a case and if you derive income from your website, there could be serious repercussions for the thief.
    Generally, take-down notices are as far it goes for amateur content, but if this is your business, it gets more complicated. Regardless, you need to talk to a lawyer to find out exactly what your rights are and then, how to proceed.
    Good luck. I hope you nail the fuckers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Helvis2012 View Post
    Maybe you can begin by calling one of those TV attorneys that provide a free first consultation. They'll listen to your complaint and then tell you whether or not you have a case. You obviously do have a case and if you derive income from your website, there could be serious repercussions for the thief.
    Generally, take-down notices are as far it goes for amateur content, but if this is your business, it gets more complicated. Regardless, you need to talk to a lawyer to find out exactly what your rights are and then, how to proceed.
    Good luck. I hope you nail the fuckers.
    Don't do it. They have no experience in anything like this.
    Unfortuantely, as I've stated - she doesn't have a case based on the evidence she has.
    I wish people would just fucking listen to me for once, I've spent a lot of time and money on piracy/anti-piracy and had some good success on it. I know more about it than most of the adult industry and the ones who know more, I work with.
    I've also wasted money on a few - so I've seen both sides.



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    Sounds like good advice. I'd trust someone with experience with this kind of thing.


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    Well, the stuff came down after a DMCA request.. Plus I pretty much shamed the person who did all the uploading (who, like some of these uploaders, considers himself a fan though they don't know what damage it does to my career and my personal quest for success in this business...), so I guess that's a win too.

    Still, I had some asshole on the forums there slamming me for defending my right to my ownership of it, and then turning around and saying I'm not as pretty as (and then he picked two girls who are friends of mine and like my work,) ** ** which i found ironic...

    -tara



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    My site is streaming only. I just use FlowPlayer and encode everything as a high quality FLV in Adobe Media Encoder. My philosophy is to treat your pay site like a country club membership... you pay to get in and enjoy the facilities but you don't get to take the golf course home with you when you leave. Some stuff will get ripped from time to time without a doubt but it happens so infrequently that DMCA scans once a week are a breeze when I go to all the major tube 'hubs'.

    In two years I've had maybe 5 complaints about being able to download stuff. I explain my 'golf course' idea and they seem to stay at bay.

    The previous generation was trained to right click and save, it's up to us to train the next generation to pay up for the good stuff, watch it and realize that's the end of the transaction.

    Want to sell clips that they can download? Put select clips in a clips4sale store and provide a link to said store through one of their useful widgets... that's what I do and it's worked like gangbusters,

    Quote Originally Posted by Tara Emory View Post
    No download options? It's not my fault if you don't know how to right-click or (on a mac) crtl-click on the video icon and then select "save link as"

    I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the capabilities of your browser.

    And true, I don't do the whole zip file thing. I do infact want to make it a teensy weensy bit difficult to download everything (though some people seem to have programs that instantly know what I just put up and they do siterips).

    If I had my druthers, all the photos on the site would only be viewable when you're on the site, and would be non downloadable at all.

    -tara


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