He-he or He-she

[SexxxyJade]

I recently saw a guy who just couldn't get it thru his head that I wasn't a guy ( well not in my eyes anyway). Not in a sense where he didnt know I was a TS and I was hiding my "tee" or anything like that. This was a regular guy just like any other guy that i meet regularly who knew what I was but still choose to see me as a str8 up dude. obviously He kept calling me "dude", and "he". He even got to the point in our convo, being so direct, i think his exact words were " i never had a boyfriend before". I was kinda appalled. I have never been referred to as anyones "boyfriend".
He kept this going, even after we had played around sexually and everything.
So this made me wonder. Do all guys think of us ( TS), as guys, and boyfriends? Deep down inside, just plain ole guys just all sugar caosted? This would explain alot, your discreetness, insecurity to committ, going along with sterotypes, etc. All because you see us as just plain ole men.. in diguise.
Are there any men out there that see us beyond our male attributes, that are honestly able to look at us as women, undeniably 100 percent, and not let ur insecurities overwhelm you. Whos not insecure?
Do you only call us, "she", and "women", because thats what we expect you to do, to please us? Or do u genuinly see us as such.
Just a few questions that came to mind.

kisses,
Sexy Jade

[swamprat4077]

Well out of habit i call near everyone dude.
To me it's just another word i use everyday.
But i would look at you, or others as i have from the first TS image i ever saw.

"she is hot!"

I can honestly say i've rarely even thought about calling a TS anything else, but a woman, or she.

I'll admit in the begining, i stuck to "tranny" or "shemale" but that's no longer the case, and i cant really explain why.
My view my very well be differant from others, thats cool too, but in my mind, i look at you as women.

I dont say it becasue i'm expected too, i say it because it feels right to say it. By that i mean, in my own (admittedly warped) little mind i only see a woman before me.

[jdh1974]

Same here Jade, I am pretty sure if I was in your presence, the words 'dude' and 'he' definitely wouldnt come out of my mouth. When I see pics of beautiful girls like yourself, I never think in terms of thats a man or anything, just a beautiful woman in my eyes. i sent you a pm by the way Jade, I had a question for ya. Thanks, Jimmy

[Hugh Jarrod]

Nope. However I keep trying to forget that at one point all Tgurls were men in the past, that's why I've never been a fan of before and after pix.

[Dkg]

Jade, no offense but this guy sounds like a loser, why the hell were you with him to begin with?

I don't care how much $$$ he's giving you he sounds like a jackass not worth 1 min of your time. I see ou as noting but woman, I could see how some people wouldn't but you outclass plenty of gg's so that's gotta mean something

my $.02

[Chica]

there was this guy i started talking to on msn, he first of all started saying dude and stuff. dude isn't used in britain much so it rules out the term that is used alot in america.

he said he found me from a website which has many transgendered people on, but he says by accident, yet at the time, i wasnt logged on for a while, and only got his message thru an email

anyway, eventually he started to understand and then dropped the dude, and seemed like he started to fancy me, so i asked him straight, "do you like me" and he's like oh no no never, yet he enjoys talking to me, watching me on cam, and it even got to the point he wanted me to go out to a party , but i turned the offer down, since i didnt have the money nor the confidence to do it

men seem wierd. i think the true straight ones are always questionable whether TS are male or female, and i guess they rattle through their heads if they're gay for liking one. the world is an odd place.. many questions can't be answered... i guess this is another. to be honest, i couldn't care less if the guy i liked was gay straight or bi, just as long as he acted like a man, and the person i like, likewise, for me to be the woman, and just to settle down and do normal day to day things.

well, i can dream can't i...

[katieftv]

Being a TV myself I find what people are sex wise so simple as far as what goes on in my head. When I see a good looking convincing TS/TV I see the body and face of a beautiful woman. To me thats what she is. Now if she looks like a woman but not so good looking then thats what she is a woman whos not so good looking. I dont complicate things in my head life is complicated enough.

When I see the image of a lady my eyes tell me hey this is a nice lady so I accept her as such. The fact that she may have a cock simply means she is a lady with a cock. Beauty or attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder so I go with that. So simply put I see a lady then shes a lady how nice she looks comes second.

Here in the UK there is a famous T/girl revue theater/show bar in Blackpool. I was in there last night with my girlfriend. I saw a number of fine looking LADIES all of which are T/girls who work there either on stage or behind the bar etc etc.

Here is the link to their web site, the place is called Funny Girls.

http://www.funnygirlsshowbar.co.uk/

[BeardedOne]

You sure do bring us the puzzlers, Ms. Jade.

I've never had an issue as regards the gender that is presented to me from the outset. I see 'T-girls' as women (And while I will occasionally use the references of 'tranny', 'she-male', etc., I don't find them very flattering to the women I'm talking to/about) and do my best to treat them as such.

I too, will sometimes say 'dude' to anyone I'm talking to, but it's a blanket reference that I'll use with anyone and it's usually something you'll hear in my voice when I say it ("Hey, dewwwd, how ya doin'?"). I also have this blip stuck in my head from an old television commercial featuring Chuck McCann as the overtly friendly neighbor in the shared medicine cabinet, greeting =everyone= with "Hi guy!". Blame Madison Avenue for a too-successful ad campaign, but please don't beat up on me because I am so conditioned as to de-genderize the general population in my greetings.

I've been friends and had relationships with more gender-variant people than I can count, but I've always accepted them for the gender they presented to me and the world. I never called my intersexed friend 'she' or 'her' and never referred to any of the m2f TS's I've known as 'him' or 'he', and I would certainly never refer to or introduce you or any of them as a 'boyfriend'. That's just lame, and damn bad form on the part of the 'date' you mentioned.

On the highly unlikely even that you should encounter this individual again, introduce 'her' around as your 'girlfriend' and ask if 'she' wants to go shopping.

[Baron Of Hell]

hmmmm I didn't see anywhere in that post where you told the guy to stop calling you dude, he, or male. If you actually did do that and he continued then that would make him big ass jerk.

Our experience effect the way we see people. Some will see you as girl, some as boy, some as both.

[Bicycology]

Generally, i find that whatever a person first approaches me as - be it male, female, 'tween, whatever - that's what i think of them from then on.

The one time i met a girl - and later became intimate with - who had an 'outie' instead of an 'innie' - i never wavered in my assumtion that she was female.

A buddy of mine, however, met a TV in 'girl' mode, they became very attached, but the TV (in this case, gay male cross-dresser) got bored with the dressup stuff and reverted to male attire and behavior. My buddy was freaked out and immediately stopped seeing 'him'.

We talked about it later (he knew my own story, previously) and we both decided that it was like dating a woman who suddenly turned into a guy.

Boom - end of relationship.

So, here's my conclusion - Me, he, and several other friend, see TS girls as girls because they 'project' their femaleness in their behavior, attitude, dress, makeup, etc. Cock or Pussy - sort of 'after the fact' - and none of us would bed down with someone who looked, acted or dressed like a guy - and here's the kicker - if a hot woman could effectively mimic a man, we'd wanna puke.

I knew one guy who was attracted to F-2-M TG's, but he was finally 'outed' as a gay who had issues with it.

Therefore, dear Ms. Jade - it's not about you, it's about him - he's fighting a deep-rooted fear of being homosexual - or some such rubbish.

If I was dating a girl as delicious as you appear to be, i'd just be so damn proud at all the jealous looks i'd get when i'd take you out on the town.

Was that too meandering?