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    Default Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

    Quote Originally Posted by trish View Post
    Wrong. The outrage is not toward Zimmerman. If Zimmerman had been arrested on the spot and scheduled for trial this never would have hit the national news, never would have snowballed into the story that it became. The outrage is over the fact that justice was ignored. Thanks to the outrage, justice was only delayed. But the question remains, why the delay? What was at work on the night the cops and the legal system let Zimmerman walked away from a probable second degree homicide? Here is where the two factors that make this a media story come into play: racial profiling and SYG.
    Absolutely correct. It was that the media HADN'T reported on this that caused the outrage.



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    Default Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

    Quote Originally Posted by hard4janira View Post

    I'll tell you what I know: Black people commit a VASTLY DISPROPORTIONATE amount of crime given their % of the population. Many of them are violent, immoral, brutal and misogynistic. Because of this many people develop well founded generalizations about them. I wouldn't trust a black person I didn't know personally for shit and why should I? Why should anybody? Why shouldn't we stalk these creatures who invade our neighborhoods and besiege us with crime? Why should we trust any of them or give any of them the benefit of the doubt? Why? So we can end up like the Crab Shack waitress with her throat cut for her tip money? You do that Senchai, not me.
    Seriously??? Are you fucking serious - where do you live? What a horrible way to live a life, it must be very sad?



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    Quote Originally Posted by seanchai View Post
    Absolutely correct. It was that the media HADN'T reported on this that caused the outrage.
    Horseshit. If Zimmerman wasn't half-white, this would be a NON STORY. Most Americans support the stand your ground laws. The very fact that people are insisting that he be charged with murder without firsthand knowledge of the facts goes to show that the letter of the law is the LEAST important issue on the table. It's all about race.

    Quote Originally Posted by seanchai View Post
    Seriously??? Are you fucking serious - where do you live? What a horrible way to live a life, it must be very sad?
    Dude, where do you live? Show me a story where a white guy shoots two unarmed black college kids sitting in a car. Show me a story where the last time three white youth's murdered a black waitress for her tip money. SHOW ME, I'M WAITING. Could you IMAGINE the media outrage if something like that happened just ONE TIME?

    I'm not going to say black people don't suffer crime at the hands of other races but it is minescule compared crime perpetrated on other races by black people. To make up for this embarassment, black people love to come up with excuses such as socio-economic blah blah blah, glass ceilings blah blah blah, racist bankers blah blah blah, slavery blah blah blah. The inferiority complex and state of denial among blacks must be so immense that they are left with no other devices other than Al Sharpton dragging creatures like Tawana Brawley out from under a rock and inventing the fist supposed white-on-black rape in 100 years. And people STILL take that fucking moongbat seriously!!

    The black on (other race) crime and violence in America fucking INEXCUSEABLE and INDEFENSIBLE, and out of fucking control, and I for one think that it's absurd for anybody to go around pretending that Zimmermans actions (while unwise) where anything but in the best interest of his community.



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    Default Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

    Quote Originally Posted by hard4janira View Post

    Dude, where do you live? Show me a story where a white guy shoots two unarmed black college kids sitting in a car. Show me a story where the last time three white youth's murdered a black waitress for her tip money. SHOW ME, I'M WAITING. Could you IMAGINE the media outrage if something like that happened just ONE TIME?

    I'm not going to say black people don't suffer crime at the hands of other races but it is minescule compared crime perpetrated on other races by black people. To make up for this embarassment, black people love to come up with excuses such as socio-economic blah blah blah, glass ceilings blah blah blah, racist bankers blah blah blah, slavery blah blah blah. The inferiority complex and state of denial among blacks must be so immense that they are left with no other devices other than Al Sharpton dragging creatures like Tawana Brawley out from under a rock and inventing the fist supposed white-on-black rape in 100 years. And people STILL take that fucking moongbat seriously!!

    The black on (other race) crime and violence in America fucking INEXCUSEABLE and INDEFENSIBLE, and out of fucking control, and I for one think that it's absurd for anybody to go around pretending that Zimmermans actions (while unwise) where anything but in the best interest of his community.
    So why do YOU think black people are as you portray them?



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    Why? Why? Why do black people execute two asian students sitting in a fucking car? Why do three adult black males murder a white woman for her paltry tip money? You fucking tell me why....



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    Quote Originally Posted by hard4janira View Post
    Why? Why? Why do black people execute two asian students sitting in a fucking car? Why do three adult black males murder a white woman for her paltry tip money? You fucking tell me why....
    I asked you? Because the rest of the world doesn't have these violent crimes?



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    Most Americans support the stand your ground laws.
    Wrong again. Boilerplate SYG laws was designed by ALEC and slipped through conservative state legislatures before most Americans knew what was happening. Part of the outrage directed at the botched handling (by the police and legal system) of Martin's demise is directed at these SYG laws which have suddenly sprung up like ugly weeds all over America. You are among the very few who see any justice in what Zimmerman did or what the police didn't do on the night of Martin's murder.

    Black people commit a VASTLY DISPROPORTIONATE amount of crime given their % of the population.
    First of all, let's see some reliable numbers here rather than capitalized adjectival phrases. Second, let's see some argument that this ratio is a proper measure. Very few black people embezzle seven digit sums by shuffling paper around on Wall Street. Does that mean African/Americans are more trustworthy handling your stocks and bonds then Caucasians? Among the very poor are African/Americans more likely than other ethnic groups to commit armed robbery? How about in Lexington, Kentucky?

    If Zimmerman wasn't half-white, this would be a NON STORY.
    I presume you mean if Zimmerman was black. If so, true enough. But it doesn't undercut what I've been saying or what Seanchai has been saying. Since you missed it, I'll repeat it. Read it carefully.

    The outrage is not toward Zimmerman. If Zimmerman had been arrested on the spot and scheduled for trial this never would have hit the national news, never would have snowballed into the story that it became. The outrage is over the fact that justice was ignored. Thanks to the outrage, justice was only delayed. But the question remains, why the delay? What was at work on the night the cops and the legal system let Zimmerman walk away from a probable second degree homicide? Here is where the two factors that make this a media story come into play: racial profiling and SYG.

    All three factors, 1) absence of an arrest and scheduled trail; 2) racial profiling and 3) SYG contributed to making this a national story.

    Subtract (1). What do you get: Vigilante Shoots and Kills Unarmed African/American Seventeen Year Old Walking Through Gated Community Talking on Cell Phone and Eating Skittles. Perp Arrested and Trial Pending. Perp is Expected to Invoke SYG. That may be a fine headline for a local paper, indeed it's front page, but it's not going national.

    Subtract (2). Vigilante Shoots and Kills Unarmed Seventeen Year Old Boy Walking Through Neighborhood Talking on His Cell Phone and Eating Skittles. Perp Gave Himself Up but Police Refused to Arrest Him Citing SYG. That's going viral.

    Subtract (3). Vigilante Shoots and Kills Unarmed African/American Seventeen Year Old Walking Through Gated Community Talking on Cell Phone and Eating Skittles. Perp Gave Himself Up but Police Refused to Arrest Him. That's probably going viral too.

    It's the failure of law enforcement to do their perceived job that is the key ingredient here, though the other ingredients fan the flames.


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    Default Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

    Erratum:
    If Zimmerman wasn't half-white, this would be a NON STORY.
    I presume you mean if Zimmerman was black. If so, true it wouldn't be as big a story as it is, though it would still be a national story.


    "...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.

    "...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.

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    Default Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

    'Creatures'??

    You mean like....animals???
    Hard4janira, you're a stone cold racist. Your momma is probably one, as are most of your blood relations.

    Using crimes committed by Blacks to somehow justify your racist attitudes is a dodge.
    If Blacks NEVER committed violent crimes, you'd still be trying to legitimize your irrational hate of Black people.

    Throughout the history of this country, hundreds of thousands more Blacks have been raped/murdered/killed by White hands than in the reverse, but you won't see me generalizing that there's something inherently defective and sociopathic in the genetic code of White people.

    I swear, you bitch about Blacks and crime like you get mugged three times a week and murdered once every other Sunday.

    BTW, show me a story where three Black guys get a White guy drunk, chain his ass to the back of 4x4 and drag him down an asphalt road until his head pops off?

    You can't murder innocents because 'statistics' are on your side.
    But hell you're probably one of those cats who would be in favor of actively aborting Black babies to lower future crime rates.

    Pathetic man.



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    Default Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

    Although I said this before, it bears repeating. Imagine you are sitting at home, the police call you to come down to the morgue, to identify your dead son. After doing this, you ask..."By the way, where is the guy who killed my son?" "Home having dinner with his wife sir."

    This is not about Zimmerman, it is about the police not arresting him. If Trayvon Martin was white, Zimmerman would have been arrested. I would be willing to bet my life on it. I am no bleeding heart liberal, far from it...but come on, just ask your self what you would be thinking if you were trayvon's dad?



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