17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?

[EvonRose]

Another example of why this is a racial issue. Trayvon is not considered to have thoughts and actions as a normal reasonble human being may have. I have stated this previously. Martin was being followed at night by car and then on foot. That Martin may have feared for his own safety, would be a reasonble possibility, if one can assume he was human, rather than sub-human. But I will agree wtih you, that the end result will be soley on whether Zimmerman's actions are judged to be criminal.

I also stated this...

If Trayvon punched zimmerman maybe it's because Zimmemran created a hostile environment.

[Token Williams-Black]

If Trayvon punched zimmerman maybe it's because Zimmemran created a hostile environment.

True, true...I'm not going to punch anyone unless they give me a reason to punch them. It's called assault.

[natina]

the charge is not 2nd degree homicide .

the charge is Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life (Criminally Negligent Homicide ).



He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.



911 call records george Zimmermans's desire to DETAIN Travyon martin.


ZIMMMERMAN STATED "they always get away" argument for racial profiling



http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...rvers-say?lite





Criminally Negligent Homicide







(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...oAT_story.html



What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.



Instead they will set out to prove that zimmerman by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:



-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator



-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program



-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement





Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.



He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.







In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,



or the firing of the gun.



Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.



If the Jury believes that Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation where he might well use his gun...







then he's guilty under the law.

Another example of why this is a racial issue. Trayvon is not considered to have thoughts and actions as a normal reasonble human being may have. I have stated this previously. Martin was being followed at night by car and then on foot. That Martin may have feared for his own safety, would be a reasonble possibility, if one can assume he was human, rather than sub-human. But I will agree wtih you, that the end result will be soley on whether Zimmerman's actions are judged to be criminal.

[yodajazz]

I also stated this...

If Trayvon punched zimmerman maybe it's because Zimmemran created a hostile environment.

Well put. Exactly!

[yodajazz]

the charge is not 2nd degree homicide .

the charge is Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life (Criminally Negligent Homicide ).



He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.



911 call records george Zimmermans's desire to DETAIN Travyon martin.


ZIMMMERMAN STATED "they always get away" argument for racial profiling



http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...rvers-say?lite





Criminally Negligent Homicide







(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...oAT_story.html



What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.



Instead they will set out to prove that zimmerman by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:



-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator



-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program



-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement





Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.



He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.







In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,



or the firing of the gun.



Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.



If the Jury believes that Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation where he might well use his gun...







then he's guilty under the law.

I neglected to thank you for your post. "Criminally Negligent Homicide" does fit the description of this whole incident. It does change my perception that it is ok, to 'strap up' and follow people around at night. So I wont be doing that. Thanks again.

[natina]

yodajazz , PEOPLE DO NOT GET THAT POINT!

why don't you tell them again

zimmerman is a DA'S worst nightmare, CAUSE THEY KNOW WHATS GONNA HAPPEN.

IT WAS SAID BY these people.

Zimmerman psychologically wanna be cop profile: He’s like so many other utterly unaccomplished males

Trayvon Martin, White Denial and the Unacceptable Burden of Blackness in America

By now, you probably know the shameful details, but they are worth repeating, in any event.
On the evening of February 26, George Zimmerman, a self-appointed “neighborhood watch captain” in an Orlando suburb, shot and killed 17-year old Trayvon Martin.
Because Martin was black.
And no, don’t even think of rolling your eyes at the suggestion. That is what happened, just as surely as so many might well be loathe to admit it.
Oh sure, he denies such a motivation, as does his family, but the details of the incident, now emerging from that evening leave very little question about it.
This was not, as we too often hear in the wake of such incidents, “a tragedy.”
This was not, as some would have it, “a terrible accident.”
It was murder, plain and simple. And it would be called such by everyone in a nation that had any commitment to honest language, which, sadly, would pretty much rule out the one in which Martin’s life began and ended, and in which Zimmerman continues to operate as a free man, unarrested by the police.
Trayvon Martin is dead because George Zimmerman believed his neighborhood needed and deserved to be protected from young black men, who could not possibly belong there, in his estimation. Never mind that Martin was in the community with his father, visiting friends. Never mind that Martin was armed only with Skittles and iced tea, while Zimmerman carried a loaded weapon.
Zimmerman, who has a history of aggressive behavior (including assaulting an officer a few years ago), appears to have something of a Dirty Harry syndrome about him. He is someone described by his own neighbors as overzealous, motivated by an obsessive desire to guard the perimeter of his community and pose as a crime-fighting hero to those around him. It doesn’t take much imagination to size up Zimmerman psychologically. He’s like so many other utterly unaccomplished males who fantasize about being a badass law officer, met one, you’ve met them all: a wannabe somebody
http://www.timwise.org/2012/03/trayv...ss-in-america/

Papantonio: Trayvon Killer Should Be Charged With Premeditated Murder

Mike Papantonio talks with Ed Schultz about his views on the Trayvon Martin murder, as well as Florida's flawed "Stand Your Ground" law.

I neglected to thank you for your post. "Criminally Negligent Homicide" does fit the description of this whole incident. It does change my perception that it is ok, to 'strap up' and follow people around at night. So I wont be doing that. Thanks again.

the charge is not 2nd degree homicide .

the charge is Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life (Criminally Negligent Homicide ).



He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.



911 call records george Zimmermans's desire to DETAIN Travyon martin.


ZIMMMERMAN STATED "they always get away" argument for racial profiling



http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...rvers-say?lite





Criminally Negligent Homicide







(or "depraved indifference") in the language of the indictment for second degree murder.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...oAT_story.html



What this means is that the state is not attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully murdered Trayvon Martin.



Instead they will set out to prove that zimmerman by going after Trayvon with a loaded gun:



-- even after he had been reminded not to by the 911 operator



-- despite the proper protocals for any neighborhood watch program



-- despite zimmerman's own training in law enforcement





Zimmerman recklessly endangered Trayvon's life.



He WILLFULLY CREATED the circumstances where the gun was used.







In the absence of any eyewitness who had a clear view of the start of the fight,



or the firing of the gun.



Florida authorities wisely avoided the pitfalls of attempting to prove that Zimmerman willfully shot Trayvon in a situation where he had other options.



If the Jury believes that Zimmerman's actions willfully created a situation where he might well use his gun...







then he's guilty under the law.

QUOTE

The biggest problem, according to (Detective) Serino, was Zimmerman’s insistence that Trayvon suddenly jumped him and tried to kill him without provocation.

“The kid has no violent tendencies that we can find. What made him snap?” Serino asked.

“He's not on PCP. He's not on anything. He’s on Skittles.”

Zimmerman could not answer.

“He was 17 years old, an athlete, probably going into aeronautics. A kid with a future, a kid with folks that care...not a goon,” the detective said.

“He does not fit the profile of what occurred.”

Zimmerman had no reaction.

Serino also questioned Zimmerman repeatedly about why he never identified himself to Trayvon as a neighborhood watchman, Which Zimmerman could not explain.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012...nswer-teenager


Now that Zimmerman has been charged, I'm happy to simply await the outcome of the trial.

But a little notice to the baiters who come here to insinuate that Trayvon was some kind of a thug.


THIS DETECTIVE IS EXPLICITLY SAYING THAT TRAYVON DID NOT FIT THAT PROFILE.

It is also abundantly clear that Zimmerman did NOT politely identify himself as a concerned citizen / neighborhood watch

[natina]

Judge in Zimmerman case says he won't step aside


CNN) -- The Florida judge presiding over the murder case against a former neighborhood watch volunteer who killed an unarmed teenager refused a defense request to step aside Wednesday.

In a two-page order, Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said the July request by lawyers for George Zimmerman was "legally insufficient" for him to recuse himself. Zimmerman's lawyers had argued that their client feared he could not get a fair trial before Lester, who had revoked Zimmerman's bond and blasted the defendant for failing to completely disclose his assets at an earlier bail hearing.

There was no immediate response to the ruling from Zimmerman's lawyers.



http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/01/justic...ing/index.html

[natina]

Zimmerman's wife pleads not guilty on perjury charge

CNN) -- The wife of George Zimmerman will not be at her scheduled arraignment Tuesday after pleading not guilty to perjury for allegedly lying about the family's finances as her husband faced murder charges, a court official said.


Shellie Zimmerman was arrested June 12 on perjury charges, after Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. revoked her husband's bond and ordered him back to jail for misrepresenting how much money the family had when he initially set his bond in April. Prosecutors say he had $135,000 at the time Zimmerman's wife told the court under oath that they were indigent
Shellie Zimmerman was released on bond and set to be formally arraigned .


prosecutors said -- and Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara has acknowledged -- that he and his wife spoke in code by phone when discussing their available funds.

Those talks included the transfer of money from George Zimmerman's account to accounts of his sister and wife, according to an affidavit prepared by an investigator with the State Attorney's office.

Records show $47,000 was transferred from George Zimmerman's account to his sister's account from April 16 and 17, authorities allege. Shellie Zimmerman transferred more than $74,000 from her husband's account to her account from April 16 to April 19, the affidavit states.

George Zimmerman asked his wife in jail calls to "pay off all the bills," including an American Express bill and a Sam's Club card, prosecutors allege.

George Zimmerman balks at interview over demands

At her husband's April 20 bond hearing, Shellie Zimmerman was asked whether the couple had financial means to assist in his defense.

"Uhm, not -- not that I'm aware of," she replied, according to a probable cause affidavit.

Four days later, after her husband was released from prison on bond, Shellie Zimmerman transferred more than $85,500 from her account back to George Zimmerman's account, according to the affidavit.


http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/30/justic...ife/?hpt=us_c2

[natina]

Zimmerman prosecutors camp make error
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documen...eleased-684512

[natina]

Appeals court grants George Zimmerman's request for new judge
A Florida appeals court on Wednesday granted George Zimmerman's request for a new judge.
Zimmerman, the former neighborhood watch volunteer charged in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin, had said the judge presiding over his case has made disparaging remarks about him.

The Fifth District Court of Appeal wrote in a decision that Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. should "enter an order of disqualification which requests the chief circuit judge to appoint a successor judge."

The opinion said: "Although many of the allegations in Zimmerman's motion, standing alone, do not meet the legal sufficiency test, and while this is admittedly a close call, upon careful review we find that the allegations, taken together, meet the threshold test of legal sufficiency."

The appeals court ruling was 2 to 1 in favor.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...new-judge?lite