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05-23-2012 #1471
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05-23-2012 #1472
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
The jury has to listen to the evidence presented in court about the events that happened that night, it has no business listening to allegations about Zimmerman's or Martin's past. I would have thought this an elementary part of the law in the US as it is in the UK. You and other posters are making value judgements about people you have never met because it suits you to depict Trayvon Martin (or George Zimmerman) as in some way guilty, of whatever it is you think they are guilty of. Zimmerman, I assume, must prove that he believed his life was in danger in order for the 'Stand Your Ground' law to be met. What he or Martin did before that night is irrelevant.
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05-23-2012 #1473
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
Stavros, I must stand corrected. You are right. Like the UK, prior criminal history is not admissible in US courts, either. Unless the defendant or his lawyer 'leaves the door open'. He certainly can't say 'I've never been in any kind of trouble before.', when he has been in trouble before. I'm not a trial attorney, by any means, but there might be a few more ways for the defense to 'leave the door open' for the other side to bring up the subject.
I think both sides will call character witnesses, and they will be cross-examined. All the eye and ear witnesses will be called to the stand, those that have recanted their previous statements and those who have haven't changed their stories. They'll get cross-examined, too.
I know which way I'm leaning in this case, but I know there may be evidence that can convince me to change my mind..
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05-23-2012 #1474
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
You're missing the point. You're point was that people shouldn't have to judge Martin because they've never had a chance to meet him. Well, a Jury is going to have to do exactly that. That was my only point.
And thank you for pointing out BOTH sides of the story. Whether you like it or not Zimmerman is being tried in the media over here. If you don't have ABC, NBC, CBS, or MSNBC then you won't know what I am talking about. ABC even doctored audiotape of Zimmerman in order to sway public opinion (the producer was fired). Now everybody is doing thier best to 'prove' that Zimmerman is some kind of racist because of things he said in a previous job. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you're going to character assasinate Zimmerman then the same should be done to Martin. What people should be doing (but are not) is letting the legal system take it's course and a jury decide the outcome. But they're not.
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05-23-2012 #1475
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
Why don't you stop posting this garbage? Zimmerman is not going to be convicted of murder. Our president, and our Attorney General pressured the prosecutor to bypass the Grand Jury who would have thrown this case out the moment it was presented to them, but neither of them have the last say on this matter. This whole thing is going to flop flat on its face in the end, and Zimmerman will walk. It was a fight, and stupid little 6'2" Treyvon lost. Tough shit, and fuck Treyvon if he wants to walk around in his community acting like a god-damned thug and jumping on a neighborhood watch captain. Neighborhood watch captain's are not illegal in this nation. Treyvon picked that fight, and he lost. His problem. Now he can push daisies from now on for acting like a dick.
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05-23-2012 #1476
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
Yeah, and now I think of the blackest people in my neighborhood who walk around acting like complete shitheads to everyone around them; talking shit, lipping off to people, breaking into people's cars, committing home invasions, armed robberies, and on my police scanner the description always comes back as “black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male black male”
Even just last night while I was working, a black guy kidnapped a white woman at knife-point, put her in her car, and now no one knows what happened to that woman today. Just like Zimmerman said, “They always get away.”
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05-23-2012 #1477
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05-23-2012 #1478
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
I'll follow up on this. There absolutley, positively nothing wrong with profiling. Racial profiling is simply one aspect of it (age, gender, sexuality, religious backround, socioeconomic background are also considered when profiling).
I remember the Atlanta child murder case in Atlanta back in the 80's. A serial killer was plucking off black children in the inner city. Of course, profiling was relatively new at the time and nobody knew about it. Of course, all of the black leaders got in an uproar because they were just CONVINCED that the murders were racially motivated. Everybody was wound up tighter than a drum while the police and the media started looking for white supremacists who might be involved. Of course, the murders continued. Eventually, the FBI got involved and they brought profiling to the table. It didn't take long for the FBI to determine that the crimes were sexual in nature and that they were likely being commited by a black male.
Oh lord, you should have heard howls of indignation and protest when this information came to light. Naturally with the FBI's help they nabbed the perpetrator and the murders stopped.
Profiling (including racial profiling) is an extremely valuable and accurate technique of narrowing down a list of suspects. It should be used at every available opportunity.
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05-23-2012 #1479
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05-23-2012 #1480
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Re: 17yr old black kid shot and killed for walking in white suburbia?
You know what Natina? I can't tell if you're white, black or whatever the hell you are. I have black neighbors who work for a living, and they hate the low-rent thug niggers in our community who commit armed robberies, talk shit to people, and commit home invasions, and shooting at the cops on near daily basis because they want to “Get minez”. Quote unquote, their words when I ask.
There! Write your little thesis Harry Potter Novel on that!
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