Is knowing that a TS is not sexually attracted to men ever a turn off for you gents?

[RallyCola]

I agree with parts of Jamie and Nicole's posts above, but then both of you make such widespread accusations based on your biases and experiences, you fail to make your points well.

the amount of transition a person goes through and their motivation to do so are always multifaceted AND generally have little to do with who they want to have sex with.

womanhood/femininity is clearly something you 2 define differently. you 2 will never agree on what it means to be a woman/feminine. females don't even agree on what it is to be a woman/feminine.

the fact remains...feminine tgirls paved the way for acceptance. so called transbians are a result of that acceptance because more males now feel comfortable with minor procedures or hormones that will make them more feminine. under the umbrella term of transgender, we include anyone that does not occupy traditional gender roles. Within that term, if you want to start to break down individual groups based on level of transition, living arrangements, SO, etc, you can try but this argument cannot be solved since most people hate being labeled by others and want to categorize themselves. The problem with that is, again, most people cannot see passed their own biases and definitions.

a so called transbian is just a male that entered transition to be more feminine just as a tgirl that loves to cock did. how feminine they become is not up for debate because they will only go as far as they want to.

that said, if you want my opinion, I find few so-called transbians cute/hot/sexy but that is my personal bias. It works out well for me because they don't want my penis either! I just prefer a woman to look what I consider to be feminine and IMHO many (but obviously not all) self-identified transbians are more gender neutral than feminine.

[Jamie French]

I've never identified as a transbian outside of work. I use words that describe my scenes and photo sets appropriately on an case by case basis. Flesh in general is my job, regardless of gender. In my personal life I go with what makes the ol' heart happy... been with every kind and type. Right now I'm with Tiffany and I couldn't be happier. That thing I wrote was based on observation alone and not my own private experience.

I agree with parts of Jamie and Nicole's posts above, but then both of you make such widespread accusations based on your biases and experiences, you fail to make your points well.

the amount of transition a person goes through and their motivation to do so are always multifaceted AND generally have little to do with who they want to have sex with.

womanhood/femininity is clearly something you 2 define differently. you 2 will never agree on what it means to be a woman/feminine. females don't even agree on what it is to be a woman/feminine.

the fact remains...feminine tgirls paved the way for acceptance. so called transbians are a result of that acceptance because more males now feel comfortable with minor procedures or hormones that will make them more feminine. under the umbrella term of transgender, we include anyone that does not occupy traditional gender roles. Within that term, if you want to start to break down individual groups based on level of transition, living arrangements, SO, etc, you can try but this argument cannot be solved since most people hate being labeled by others and want to categorize themselves. The problem with that is, again, most people cannot see passed their own biases and definitions.

a so called transbian is just a male that entered transition to be more feminine just as a tgirl that loves to cock did. how feminine they become is not up for debate because they will only go as far as they want to.

that said, if you want my opinion, I find few so-called transbians cute/hot/sexy but that is my personal bias. It works out well for me because they don't want my penis either! I just prefer a woman to look what I consider to be feminine and IMHO many (but obviously not all) self-identified transbians are more gender neutral than feminine.

[Nicole Dupre]

I agree with parts of Jamie and Nicole's posts above, but then both of you make such widespread accusations based on your biases and experiences, you fail to make your points well.

the amount of transition a person goes through and their motivation to do so are always multifaceted AND generally have little to do with who they want to have sex with.

womanhood/femininity is clearly something you 2 define differently. you 2 will never agree on what it means to be a woman/feminine. females don't even agree on what it is to be a woman/feminine.

the fact remains...feminine tgirls paved the way for acceptance. so called transbians are a result of that acceptance because more males now feel comfortable with minor procedures or hormones that will make them more feminine. under the umbrella term of transgender, we include anyone that does not occupy traditional gender roles. Within that term, if you want to start to break down individual groups based on level of transition, living arrangements, SO, etc, you can try but this argument cannot be solved since most people hate being labeled by others and want to categorize themselves. The problem with that is, again, most people cannot see passed their own biases and definitions.

a so called transbian is just a male that entered transition to be more feminine just as a tgirl that loves to cock did. how feminine they become is not up for debate because they will only go as far as they want to.

that said, if you want my opinion, I find few so-called transbians cute/hot/sexy but that is my personal bias. It works out well for me because they don't want my penis either! I just prefer a woman to look what I consider to be feminine and IMHO many (but obviously not all) self-identified transbians are more gender neutral than feminine.

They're not widespread accusations. Transbians are labeled secondary by the Harry Benjamin Standards, which were the official mental health professional's guidelines on transsexuality for decades. Do a little research.

Personally, I don't completely agree with Harry Benjamin or Ray Blanchard, but their opinions are well-researched objective ones.

As for the guys looking for a sex object, I totally understand your point. You're simply just looking for erotica and NSA sex. That's what we're all here to provide you with. But that's got nothing to do with our lives outside of being sexworkers,.

And after reading Jamie's posts on the Daryl thread, "grounded" and "down to earth" are not words that come to mind. lol That sounds like the threatening words leading up to a fight breaking out in a prison; either that, or a suburban white boy talking shit online.

[Jamie French]

I like tacos.

[Erika1487]

Look at Erika. Erika wants to be a boxer and is proud of the scars on her face. Is that female behavior? She would argue that she's a modern woman. And I would argue that she's less-than-well transitioned M2F. I mean, how many of your mothers and sisters did porn, boxed, and had razor stubble on their faces? lol

You just Can't leave well enough alone.....

The scary thing to me is, I can name literally dozens of serial killers who were crossdressers. Silence of the Lambs is based on a true story. There are plenty more.

Look your taking an awfully high road here considering you yourself where a failry late transitioner who has a pretty damn big body frame. I pesonally think your lying about when you transitioned. If not how do you explain this.....

Clearly you are in your early 20s when that photo was taken, so tell the truth....It's time to fess up....

[Nicole Dupre]

That photo was taken in 2004 backstage at Connexxions in Boonton NJ. I was a drag queen at that point. I didn't start living f/t until 7 years ago. I have dressed my entire life, started hooking in my mid teens in the West Village of Manhattan, right on the corner of Jane St. I passed and went with it. Actually I passed my whole life, even as a kid. I proved that to myself a long time ago. When I was 5 or 6, I paraded around our living room in makeup and my mom's clothes. It was frowned upon. lol I grew up always liking boys though. I had sex with a man when I was 14. I loved it. I ran away at 15 to Manhattan, and lived all over NY. I was a squatter, I lived in hooker hotels, I slept on the docks of the West Side Highway many nights. But I was never very masculine acting. I stayed around the queers in West Village. That way no one would kill me if hey found out. I got beaten up and bullied constantly as a kid for hanging out with the girls and jumping rope during recess. My best friend was a girl. Her name was Kate. She knew I dressed as a girl. She didn't care. We used to steal her mother's cigarettes and talk about boys and clothes. But like I said, I ran away. I was a transvestite prostitute. I've had bottles thrown at me, and had my life threatened countless times on those streets by passing cars. I eventually went back to school, and was very "gay". I got very skinny and dressed in both male and female clothing whenever the mood suited me. But I was always a priss. I always got nails done. I never liked sports or anything very boyish at all. I would never box or do anything like that. I did buy a few guns in case I needed to protect myself. But fight? lol If I had to, but I would never look for a fight. Anyway, I'm a lifelong faggot turned transsexual and proud of it. I have contempt for hetero CDs and guys like you who got a brain storm after they failed with women that they wanted to be lesbians. I think it's mental illness. Sorry.

And yeah, I'm 45. I did a lot of part timing, but i truly abandoned my male identity for good in my mid 30s.

[Nicole Dupre]

I was not in my early 20s when that photo was taken. Try mid 30s. But that's a pre-drag show candid shot if you're trying to hurt my feelings. lol

[Nicole Dupre]

Look at yourself, Erika. Go look in the mirror at yourself being a boxer. You feel this is a womanly way to be? C'mon. Get real FFS. I know I look good for my age, or so I hear a lot. But I was basically never a hard dude like you. NEVER. And I never dated women. I fucked a pussy in my life once as an experiment and knew I was wasting my time. I wasn't going to like it or seek it out, so why bother? lol

In Edelweiss days, I was having my own little private parties right up the street in Hells Kitchen. My name was Penny then, or Penelope. You were probably playing football at that point I bet though. lol

[RallyCola]

nicole...your point, if there is one, is getting lost in your ranting. i really don't even know what is being debated here anymore. we are so far off the original topic that this thread just keeps getting muddied up with more stuff.

[RallyCola]

As for the guys looking for a sex object, I totally understand your point. You're simply just looking for erotica and NSA sex. That's what we're all here to provide you with. But that's got nothing to do with our lives outside of being sexworkers,.

you started this thread asking if men get turned off when they know a tgirl is a transbian or prefers tgirls and ggirls over masculine males.

what the hell is going on now...i have no idea.