Shemales are just men... don't take my word for it

[Dkg]

the same we "these people" are being so deeply defensive is the same way your being so deeply aggressive about your point of view.
the SCIENTIFIC answer to this question is while we are not biological woman we arent biological men either.
hormones do alot more than just give us boobs and pretty skin.it actually changes alot of ways very crucial internal organs function and look.over time our bodies and organs strive to function as much as a females as possible.tgirls have different sized brains than men (even before hormones),hearts functions differently,prostate shrinks,bladder shrinks,hips end up rotating forward,change in eyes shape,bone density changes,certain sweat glands become in active, and etc
so yes your right we arent biological women but we arent men either..when was the last time you got a mammogram..something you as a man will never really have to worry about but already my doctor does breast exams on me and the pleasure that is a mammogram lies waiting in my future...

Interesting...I'll have to look this up. Never heard of that before. Anyways, while she is right that, genetically, transwomen can never be biological women, that doesn't mean that they are not women nonetheless

[Ineeda SM]

the same we "these people" are being so deeply defensive is the same way your being so deeply aggressive about your point of view.
the SCIENTIFIC answer to this question is while we are not biological woman we arent biological men either.
hormones do alot more than just give us boobs and pretty skin.it actually changes alot of ways very crucial internal organs function and look.over time our bodies and organs strive to function as much as a females as possible.tgirls have different sized brains than men (even before hormones),hearts functions differently,prostate shrinks,bladder shrinks,hips end up rotating forward,change in eyes shape,bone density changes,certain sweat glands become in active, and etc
so yes your right we arent biological women but we arent men either..when was the last time you got a mammogram..something you as a man will never really have to worry about but already my doctor does breast exams on me and the pleasure that is a mammogram lies waiting in my future...

Everything you said about organs shrinking is correct. But there is no difference in function of organs in men or women. In fact, they are all 100% compatible for transplant into the opposite sex. The only requirement of compatibillity is blood type. Even though the organs shrink, their genitic makeup remains the same. When I see you, I see a lovely woman. And I will treat you as a woman because that is who you are. A TS's identity and psychological makeup is 100% a woman's. But if we took a blood sample from you and did a DNA check, it would still say you are a genitic male. There is no arguing with this as it is a fact.

But once again as this has been discussed to death so many times, it is not important. It is just a mere difference between psychology and biology. For all intent and purposes, TS ARE WOMEN, and deserve all of the respect to their identity as would be afforded to any GG. Anyone who doesn't see you as a woman is blind and stupid. That's the only important part to remember.

[amberskyi]

Everything you said about organs shrinking is correct. But there is no difference in function of organs in men or women. In fact, they are all 100% compatible for transplant into the opposite sex. The only requirement of compatibillity is blood type. Even though the organs shrink, their genitic makeup remains the same. When I see you, I see a lovely woman. And I will treat you as a woman because that is who you are. A TS's identity and psychological makeup is 100% a woman's. But if we took a blood sample from you and did a DNA check, it would still say you are a genitic male. There is no arguing with this as it is a fact.

But once again as this has been discussed to death so many times, it is not important. It is just a mere difference between psychology and biology. For all intent and purposes, TS ARE WOMEN, and deserve all of the respect to their identity as would be afforded to any GG. Anyone who doesn't see you as a woman is blind and stupid. That's the only important part to remember.

actually there was a study that showed that not only did our brains change in size but also in the way it functions...any way to be honest im getting a bit tired of being on these fucking forums that just want to beat into our head s that we're males....
im just going to get a vag and pretend that everything before was a bad dream

[Ineeda SM]

actually there was a study that showed that not only did our brains change in size but also in the way it functions...any way to be honest im getting a bit tired of being on these fucking forums that just want to beat into our head s that we're males....
im just going to get a vag and pretend that everything before was a bad dream

Anber, don't look at it that way. Yes there are some assholes that call you a man just to rag on you and start arguments. I sincerely hope you don't think that was my intention. I have a TS girlfriend that I love dearly. I certainly could never see her as a man any more than I could see most of the girls as men, including yourself. My respect and defense for the total female identity is sincere.

Let me put it this way, and my TS GF agrees. As I said, anyone who doesn't see you as a woman is blind and stupid. But the video in the OP was not technically lying. She was speaking in forensic terms of biology. It was probably stupid for her to say that TS are men, because the context will be distorted by those who just want to rag on TS. But then again, this is an open porn forum with no censorship and it will attract that type every time. If everyone (Including myself) would just stay away from threads like this, this problem would not be that big of a deal.

Stay cute Amber.

[Bunzee]

her post just underlines the fact that gender is many variants, even though people are BORN as either male or female, how they FEEL or want to PRESENT has indefinitely many shades ... and there are as many opinions as there are people ... nobody is wrong or right, to each their own

[LeelaWang]

The universe makes no mistakes... out of 7 billion people, there is bound to be some variety within human expression, as is in all nature, everything has unique expression, not ever once has there been two exact snowflakes, and as complex and complicated as human beings are, there is bound to be all types and forms of expression especially in the gender spectrum, i think of it akin to a bell curve of sorts, the lgbt more on the shallower ends, but a part of nature with every right to live and enjoy freedoms as the rest. We silly humans make the divisions, the classifications, the labels...it's a waste of time and effort, at least that's how i see it. i hope someday in the future there won't be a LGBT alliance, in the respects that we won't need it anymore, that we won't have categories, just people, with varieties to be celebrated, not hated... and by celebration, i mean

[biberkopf]

Biologically, based on her reproductive organs at birth she is and will be male; but, she has definitely changed her gender! She's transforming herself into the feminine gender. You can't change the factual circumstances of your birth but you sure as hell can change your gender!

[EvonRose]

Biologically, based on her reproductive organs at birth she is and will be male; but, she has definitely changed her gender! She's transforming herself into the feminine gender. You can't change the factual circumstances of your birth but you sure as hell can change your gender!

No they are changing their sex... Ts have always been women by gender, born male by sex... Sex is genital and secondary characteristic influenced... Big difference... That is they do change their sex, but they never changed gender...

FYI DNA and chromosomes biologically are imperfect, imperfection is normal, many sex born women have been proven to carry male chromosomes or even test male by blood sample but carry every female reproductive organ.... Stop being so ignorant people, test a true transexuals woman's blood there are its bound to be just xy chromosomes most likely, The world is not black and white. Millions of people around the world have defects of any type from blood, mental, genitals, chromosomes, hormones etc the is why people like us exist because there is something going on in our bodies that you do not know about...

If someone was born with 6 fingers, is it wrong to cut the extra off just to fit in what your suppose to be?
If you have cancer is it wrong to go under radiation just because its not normal and was scientifically made?
Are you suppose to just let a tumor grow? No we treat it, that is why biology also has science.

We ts woman change our sex because it's not right we have an abnormality! Get it? got it? good...

[Nicole Dupre]

There are lots of cases of being intersexed. ISM won't really acknowledge them tho'. He gets upset if you stray from the traditional 'either/or' way of thinking about this stuff. lol I mean I do accept that I'm not a GG, but I was told that a karyotype test would probably reveal that I'm intersexed. I got little tits when I went through puberty, although I wasn't fat. I had no hair on my body and only a little peach fuzz on my face. My voice was always kinda high pitched too until I smoked. And my hormone levels were pretty screwed up before HRT. That's a fact. That's what made them think I was probably intersexed. My dick functioned, but I had very little testo; well below average. Tula was born that way too, and so was Heavenly Sin. It's called Klinefelter's syndrome. The karyotype tests are expensive tho'. I never cared that much or felt I needed to prove anything.

[biberkopf]

No they are changing their sex... Ts have always been women by gender, born male by sex... Sex is genital and secondary characteristic influenced... Big difference... That is they do change their sex, but they never changed gender...

FYI DNA and chromosomes biologically are imperfect, imperfection is normal, many sex born women have been proven to carry male chromosomes or even test male by blood sample but carry every female reproductive organ.... Stop being so ignorant people, test a true transexuals woman's blood there are its bound to be just xy chromosomes most likely, The world is not black and white. Millions of people around the world have defects of any type from blood, mental, genitals, chromosomes, hormones etc the is why people like us exist because there is something going on in our bodies that you do not know about...

If someone was born with 6 fingers, is it wrong to cut the extra off just to fit in what your suppose to be?
If you have cancer is it wrong to go under radiation just because its not normal and was scientifically made?
Are you suppose to just let a tumor grow? No we treat it, that is why biology also has science.

We ts woman change our sex because it's not right we have an abnormality! Get it? got it? good...

Sorry to come off sounding ignorant, but I don't think I am. Physically, she has changed her gender, although mentally she hasn't. Genitalia is considered the primary sexual characteristic. All the other stuff that hits during puberty - in the case of a woman, breasts, differences in facial shape, wider hips, etc - those are secondary sexual characteristics. I looked at the video and she's calling herself a guy and I'm thinking, no you're not. What's her chromosomal make up? Who knows? I don't think it matters. I think the words sex and gender lead to confusion when they are used interchangeably, because as transgendered people show, the two things can be separated.