What would be your advice or ideas

[tsdvdman]

You retire for real!!

[Tyler___Durden]

Oh, and making this a sticky on every tg board in the world.
It's the most awesome trans-related thing I have ever read.
I copied this a couple of years ago, though the link is dead.
http://therealkellyshore.info/2009/11/05/my-wish/

Stop Oppression.
We can do it if we just be ourselves with out word slinging and violence.
Why is it we transpeople feel we need to talk back to a group of guys that clocked us in public.
Why do we need to escalate it so its another transsexuals’ death in vain.
A beautiful individual working her/his way down the path of peace within her/his self.
The peace they will never be allowed over an escalated argument or dating a man or woman under false pretences.
I’ll go more into this topic later.
It’s a minute out of our day that we were name called, but we have 23:59 to keep on our path and the rest of our lives.
I say lets bury our pride and worry about ourselves and safety first.
Too many transsexual deaths’ come from escalating the issue of hate.
We think standing up and yelling back at the person/persons emotionally abusing us,
is going to make them change their mind or change what was said that made us so mad.
I can tell you it wont.
I have always believed you can always catch more bees with honey.
When we decide to take part in the word slinging it escalates the hate more.
It gives them the catalyst to make it easier to physically harm us. Who knows if that day it will be a beating or death.
Why play with fire people?


I don’t get why we give these people filled with hate so much power over our lives?
We should worry more about what we think of ourselves and what our loved ones think,
before instigating a mob of haters. So they called us a fag, a man, a freak, a pervert,
or whatever lame attempt they can throw at us let them have it.
In the end we know who we are and what path we are on.
Let the them have their view, if thats what it takes to keep us safe for another day.
We still have our view, they haven’t taken it from us.
The media may strip us as they like, but we know who we are and thats what is important.
Hold dear to things in you life you value and love.
Remember that tomorrow we most likely wont even remember the incident the day before.
This keeps us safe and gives us the time we need to achieve our genders we need to be viewed as, live as, and love as.
Escalating hate with flinging words can result in having our life ripped away from us.
Remember time is precious, life is precious, and lying on a morgue table is not a wish I have for myself.
My wish is to get these men and women that have beat us and murdered us not have the option of a slap on the wrist with a thing called a sanity plea.
That judicial systems finally start seeing these crimes as hate crimes, and giving them the full punishment of the law.
We need to stop giving these people the angle they need to be set free for our deaths.


Lastly with ladies and gentleman that go around tricking men and women on dates.
I beg you to think of your actions before you keep practising this habit.
I realize you need to be treated as your gender, and maybe you think in your head you can’t be treated solely as that gender if they know.
I assure you this isn’t true!
Lets remember our dead.
Lets remember the beautiful teen Gwen Araujo who played with fire and in the end was burnt.
No she did not deserve this, she was a teen girl wanting to do what every teen girl does her age.
It would be great if we had the luxury of living as any other teen girl,
but we as transwomen have limitations we need to understand this and embrace this.
To protect ourselves.
To stop our murders.
Lets stop giving these people filled with so much hate an excuse to dismiss who we are so easily by killing us.
I am sure I’ll get many debaters on this, saying this is cowardly, but dear it’s smart.
Why throw away your life so easily?
Why do you feel the need to give these people who you only knew for that instant so much power on who we are?
This issue goes on a lot with transmen also tricking women,
violence is less in these instances,
but please remember Brandon.
Another young transperson wanting to be viewed as what he was.
A man.
He wanted to fall in love like everyone does, but loving under false pretenses under any admission will never work out.
There are those rare and lucky cases where tricking did turn out good for the transmen and women,
but don’t base these rare chances on fact or your fate.


Lets talk about what we should do.
Lets ignore the people that don’t understand us on the streets,
and put our anger towards getting our voices heard politically,
by openminded supporters, and by each other.
Lets stop hating on one another and focus this energy on getting transwomen and men
jobs, opportunities, and equal rights.
Lets try to figure out a plan to make sex work less of a stigma of what transsexuals are and do.
Let transwomen and men that have the means open businesses and hire other transpeople.
Many are doing this now, lets stick to doing this.
Lets work on helping our weak and making them strong, instead of focusing on the people who would rather see us dead.
Lets donate money to activist groups who are fighting for our rights in Washington, in our counties, and in our cities.
My wish is to become a more unified, caring, and helping community.
Rather than a community that reads one another, because one girl is less transitioned than the next.
My wish is the lover of transwomen and men stand with us to battle discrimination and oppression.
That they will be proud to say I love transsexuals for whatever their reasoning.
My wish is to see less transsexuals having money for sex and more mainstream jobs.
Even if it’s just stripping.
My wish is to bring our sisterhood and brotherhood together instead of transmen being on one side and transwomen on the other.
Lets stop oppression now.
Lets use our voices to uplift, instead of defending all the time.
Most of all lets stop our murders,
thats my wish.

I would love to see trans-couples come forward to talk about their successes.
Their love.
Their normalcy.
To help educate.
I know there are many couples out there but so little come out and talk, all you hear is about escorts.
We need to make a stand with empowerment and education, not with idle words and comebacks.
It leaves us nowhere!
XoXo


Yep. Kelly, you've already got this thread covered.

[Jpndrum]

To bring ts girls more mainstream?

A certain distance from things that are considered taboo would be a good start, I realize that is a lot to ask considering the subject of ts is taboo enough in-and-of itself. Not doing porn would be a good start, while porn is becoming more mainstream in America, it will always be a taboo and the amount of girls that go from porn to other things in culture is virtually nonexistent. Besides that, a degree of openness and a higher level of education across the board wouldn't hurt.

[Nicole Dupre]

Porn and escorting will never go away.

[onmyknees]

If the question was how to bring TS more in the mainstream.....why not ask someone in the mainstream? Do we have any candidates in here? lol

[Nicole Dupre]

This is a pretty silly place to discuss such a topic. Most girls here don't want to be mainstream anyway. And many can't be. They're too easily clocked. And they'd like you to believe that they're living charmed lives. lol

[slingblade]

This is a pretty silly place to discuss such a topic. Most girls here don't want to be mainstream anyway. And many can't be. They're too easily clocked. And they'd like you to believe that they're living charmed lives. lol

right to the point and on point baby

[igotmacedbymimi:(]

You want to know what would make ts more 'mainstream' (even though that is a bit of a non-term to use).

Presumabley you only mean what would make them 'mainstream' celebrities or mainstream in the mainstream media.

And here's the answer:

Why is it that there is a massive percentage of ts compared with normal women who MUST BE FAMOUS. Who crave the fame. Hence why they enter the porn world. They crave attention. Attention from people who like and support them.

In genetic born females, there are far less women like this. A lot of female pornstars and sex workers (and this is fact backed up by anecdotal evidence) have had issues in their past.

Female celebrities are just essentially normal people doing their normal job and get a lucky break and get picked up and promoted by the fame game. Only a fraction of females who take up acting/singing/modelling EVER become famous for their path.

Another reason is this. Most females will try to go to university, try to study hard and get a degree and enter the job market after graduation and try to go into all sorts of industries. Banking/finance, medical, vetinary, engineering, sciences, etc.

Very few of them pursue this 'try to get famous and seek attention at all costs' road.

Perhaps look at the reasons why there are extremely low amount of transgender women using sites like this or say transexual dating sites that have graduated or that have a highly paid and high skilled professional job.

There are plenty of female lawers, politicians, doctors, engineers, vets, nurses, police, financiers. However in the ts world there seems to be a much higher proportion of ts that try to pursue a career as a sex worker or in pornography. Pornography being an obvious choice because it gives them attention from fans whilst they know that mainstream society (which is sad, but true) will belittle them, be cruel and nasty to them.

Isnt it ironic, asking the question, meanwhile look up to the top of the screen and there is a 'girl' with 'her' cock out and jerking it into the camera...yet people wondering why ts are not 'mainstream'.

It is sad but true that ts are seen as a fetish object in society, NOT BY ALL PEOPLE, but by the majority. Slowly as time progresses things will calm down and ts will be more accepted.

However when you look at the dermographic spectrum of employment in genetic females and compare to ts, you basically get women spread throughout a whole range of different jobs in the labour market, yet a massive proportion of ts in the sex industry.

How can ts be part of mainstream society when they are actually part (in the most) of an illegal industry = the sex trade.

When there are more ts doctors, nurses, bankers, lawers, engineers, astronaughts, pilots etc (which means STUDYING very hard), then there will probably also be more ts actors, mainstream fashion models, 'celebritys' as well.

One last point, if you look at the amount of ts in each country, there is a much higher amount of females. So let's say there are 100 celebritys (if this is what you are talking about by 'mainstream', females in media spotlight seeking attention from mainstream society), then it stands to reason there will be a hundred fold more women in the fame game because there is a hundred times more genetic women than transgender women in the world, probably more.

For every female celebrity in main stream media there will be 10,000 attention seeking females who did the same thing as the 'famous person' yet no one has any idea who they are.

[Nicole Dupre]

You want to know what would make ts more 'mainstream' (even though that is a bit of a non-term to use).

Presumabley you only mean what would make them 'mainstream' celebrities or mainstream in the mainstream media.

And here's the answer:

Why is it that there is a massive percentage of ts compared with normal women who MUST BE FAMOUS. Who crave the fame. Hence why they enter the porn world. They crave attention. Attention from people who like and support them.

In genetic born females, there are far less women like this. A lot of female pornstars and sex workers (and this is fact backed up by anecdotal evidence) have had issues in their past.

Female celebrities are just essentially normal people doing their normal job and get a lucky break and get picked up and promoted by the fame game. Only a fraction of females who take up acting/singing/modelling EVER become famous for their path.

Another reason is this. Most females will try to go to university, try to study hard and get a degree and enter the job market after graduation and try to go into all sorts of industries. Banking/finance, medical, vetinary, engineering, sciences, etc.

Very few of them pursue this 'try to get famous and seek attention at all costs' road.

Perhaps look at the reasons why there are extremely low amount of transgender women using sites like this or say transexual dating sites that have graduated or that have a highly paid and high skilled professional job.

There are plenty of female lawers, politicians, doctors, engineers, vets, nurses, police, financiers. However in the ts world there seems to be a much higher proportion of ts that try to pursue a career as a sex worker or in pornography. Pornography being an obvious choice because it gives them attention from fans whilst they know that mainstream society (which is sad, but true) will belittle them, be cruel and nasty to them.

Isnt it ironic, asking the question, meanwhile look up to the top of the screen and there is a 'girl' with 'her' cock out and jerking it into the camera...yet people wondering why ts are not 'mainstream'.

It is sad but true that ts are seen as a fetish object in society, NOT BY ALL PEOPLE, but by the majority. Slowly as time progresses things will calm down and ts will be more accepted.

However when you look at the dermographic spectrum of employment in genetic females and compare to ts, you basically get women spread throughout a whole range of different jobs in the labour market, yet a massive proportion of ts in the sex industry.

How can ts be part of mainstream society when they are actually part (in the most) of an illegal industry = the sex trade.

When there are more ts doctors, nurses, bankers, lawers, engineers, astronaughts, pilots etc (which means STUDYING very hard), then there will probably also be more ts actors, mainstream fashion models, 'celebritys' as well.

One last point, if you look at the amount of ts in each country, there is a much higher amount of females. So let's say there are 100 celebritys (if this is what you are talking about by 'mainstream', females in media spotlight seeking attention from mainstream society), then it stands to reason there will be a hundred fold more women in the fame game because there is a hundred times more genetic women than transgender women in the world, probably more.

For every female celebrity in main stream media there will be 10,000 attention seeking females who did the same thing as the 'famous person' yet no one has any idea who they are.

I thought in this case "mainstream" meant socially accepted. For most people, as you pointed out, fame is an unintentional by-product of some type of hard work and sacrifice. And there are plenty of hard-working transsexuals who you'll never know about because they don't want attention for being transsexuals.

I also think that more transsexuals go into escorting as a means of supporting themselves and saving money than you may think. Porn is a little different, especially now. Porn is as unprofitable as it's ever been due to piracy and model oversaturation. So to dabble with the role of rising "porn star" beyond '08 or '09 would indicate that vain ego trip thing you were mentioning and an extreme level of desperation.

But keep in mind, transitioning to fulltime makes for a lot of collateral damage in one's life. Education and job history are easily overshadowed by changing gender. There are stigmas placed on you. Social security numbers don't change, and ultimately no one can be quite as stealth as they'd like to be. It's a handicap that no one can completely prepare for. And that's when money starts running out, bank accounts get drained, and employers say "Don't call us. We'll call you."

There really is no convenient time to transition. You either take the plunge or you don't. If you do, you may not make it. So I don't take for granted that I still have my immediate family and 90% of my relatives in my life, and a decent job aside from being a sexworker. I don't even take it for granted that I have real friends. And I don't mean acquaintances either; I mean real friends. There were no guarantees, and there were definitely some rough moments along the way.

And right now, as we all know, the economy is shaky. So this isn't quite the time to ride any gravy trains of "easy sexworker money". That's why I have a real job again these days. You can't put all your eggs into one basket. I love sex and god knows I'm very kinky and horny. But that's just one aspect of my life. To me, being a well-rounded, grounded human being is what being "mainstream" is.

[hard4janira]

Get Obama to admit that he's a chaser