Natural

[postopadmirer]

I read the term "natural" a lot in these forums.


What is natural?


I don't think we all mean the same thing. If we are honest with ourselves --very little of this is "physically or medically" natural. Much of it is nature being coaxed in a given direction. Coaxed like a gardener coaxes his trees by pruning them. The result look natural, but in reality it was not what the tree was going to do "naturally"


Don't get me wrong I LOVE THE RESULTS, and I DON'T QUESTION THE WOMEN'S FEELING OR MOTIVES AT ALL, but let's not kid ourselves to much.
Girls keep it up and thanks for contributing to this forum!


When I think natural for example in breast development, here is what I think of: http://www.afraidtoask.com/breast/br...elopement.html


So if I said that girl has natural beasts I'm thinking one of the middle Tanner stages.



Thoughts?
POA

[postopadmirer]

I feel the need to clarify further.

If I take hormones or get castrated what happens to my body next will be a natural result, but it was started in an artificial way. So then what is natural?

[SammiValentine]

Eating lots of pies, drinking beer and getting MOOBS.

[Bishounen]

Well, no matter what a transitioner thinks her or himself about the process, but as soon as plastic surgery is involved, then it is technically not "natural" anymore.

I know that some people that have done a heck load of plastic surgery refers to themselves as "natural" only because they have not gone "over the top" with the surgery and do not look artificial, although they are in actuality not meaning "natural" but natural looking, which is something totally different.

[Quiet Reflections]

I read the term "natural" a lot in these forums.


What is natural?


I don't think we all mean the same thing. If we are honest with ourselves --very little of this is "physically or medically" natural. Much of it is nature being coaxed in a given direction. Coaxed like a gardener coaxes his trees by pruning them. The result look natural, but in reality it was not what the tree was going to do "naturally"


Don't get me wrong I LOVE THE RESULTS, and I DON'T QUESTION THE WOMEN'S FEELING OR MOTIVES AT ALL, but let's not kid ourselves to much.
Girls keep it up and thanks for contributing to this forum!


When I think natural for example in breast development, here is what I think of: http://www.afraidtoask.com/breast/br...elopement.html


So if I said that girl has natural beasts I'm thinking one of the middle Tanner stages.



Thoughts?
POA

Without plastic surgery

[postopadmirer]

Without plastic surgery

Without ANY surgery or just not LOOKING like any surgery?

[EvonRose]

Without plastic surgery, but technically sex change is not considered plastic surgery it's more of reconstuctive, natural beauty in any sense is the no alteration to the face since beauty is predominantly described in the face, but to be "all" is having no surgery at all... I am guilty of having a breast augmentation, but i first got them to be a small c, then just when i thought hormones did its job, my breast got bigger in two years span now I'm a 32dd... I wanted to take it out, but i am not gonna go trough another surgery.

People consider me natural looking or natural beauty, but i am not "all natural" makes sense? lol...

[MrsKellyPierce]

Sometimes girls mean au natural - meaning no make up

[PeePeeLover]

Don't take them out Evon. They look and feel great. No need to mess with perfection

[RallyCola]

natural means NO surgical alteration or enhancement other than potentially castration or full GRS.

Though technically incorrect, natural usually means that hormones are ok.

i'll give you concrete examples

1: natural: hazel tucker is a hormone only girl or perhaps a crossdresser type like jamie markham would be considered natural (though by all accounts, jamie is a boy in a dress)

2: so-called natural: jesse flores has claimed to be natural and only had implants...jesse isn't on hormones...so while her claim is that she naturally looks like a girl (facially) her implants disqualify her based on the what everyone else says "natural" means

3: surgically altered tgirls: domino, bj, libby, etc....i.e. girls that have had plastic surgery (boobs, butt implants, facial feminization, trach shave, etc). BUT there is another special category reserved for a select few

4: the WTF girls or girls that are caricature of normal people...you know, the ones that visited the same silly putty doctors michael jackson went to.

there has been a rash of crossdressers claiming to be "natural" TS but they aren't...many are simply just fem looking guys that dress up. Without hormones or surgery, you really aren't in transition. They may fit under the umbrella term of "Transgendered" because that is the most broad term to classify any individual who feels their outward gender does not match their genetic sex and takes any step to alter it, but the male stops being a man and becomes a girl/woman when they begin to express secondary sex characteristics associated with femininity. Short of that, dressing up doesn't count.