Can one be TG without implants and hormones?

[EvonRose]

Absolutely, 100% wrong. First of all, a name change is a name change and it's required that one update SS, and while they won't let you change gender at SS without a court order (usually after surgery), I read recently that they don't disclose it anymore in background checks, but I'm admittedly having trouble finding the article.



If you're on hormones, the chance is almost -zero- that you'll develop testicular or prostate cancer, just like a born female. And you and I both know the changes don't stop there. Moreover, SRS doesn't include a prostatectomy, so by your definition, a post-op isn't female either.



Well, we agree on that much.

~BB~

You can change your name on a government issued id and by law we as trans people are allowed, the law is not the same with legal documents such as being female by sex in terms of legalities, and marriage. don't get is confused... How do you know they don't do back ground check sweety, if you are on insurance they will look at your ss what are you talking about? unless you pay for all those medical check up yourself then you must be rich, because by experience its not cheap!!! they do back ground check for other things as well such as rent, car payment etc... don't lie to yourself.

What kind of doctors told you this? tough chances are low its nothing close to zero, do you know the prostate cases in transsexuals its not that rare. tough very low, as long as you still have those intact such as testicles, and penis you can get the same complications male can have that is why medically your still male so they know about these things.

having an srs does not make one genetically female and still male by birth and of prostate is intact could still get it, but the action taken to change the vagina makes them legally a female by sex. Did I ever say your a man if you keep your penis? we are all women just the labels are different to what extreme one goes trough it doesn't make one less or more of a woman.

[EvonRose]

i dont have the energy to go to court and get a written statement then scan it to upload to the internet to prove it..also my energy for this thread is pretty much done...i'll fight the good fight another day.. later ya'll!

well then you cannot convinced me otherwise, but thanks for sharing ryder!!

[Erika1487]

at this thread.....

How can we talk about equality when we can't agree how to define ourselves?? At the end of the day aren't we all sisters under the same flag

[libertynet]

crossdreser>> shemales trainnies

[Heather Moorland]

at this thread.....

How can we talk about equality when we can't agree how to define ourselves?? At the end of the day aren't we all sisters under the same flag

No we are not sisters. We are Ladies you know. (Just joking)

I completely agree with you. All the labels mean different things to different people.
The legal acceptans of our gender identity is also diifferent depending on where we live. In Denmark you don't get legal change unless you are "castrated" (The danish law uses the word "castrated" not SRS, though in practic that is the same). Correct me if I am mistaken but I think that in Tennessee a transgender woman who has had SRS can not legally marry a cis-gendered man even if her legal status has been changed to "female" by an other state. Isn't that correct?
Even doctors and therapists enterpret the IDG-10 64.* diagnoses differently depending on their own prejudice and the legal, ideological and financial framework that their clinik works under.

Is it important that we agree on the lables? I think it is more important that we respect each others gender identity?

[EvonRose]

No we are not sisters. We are Ladies you know. (Just joking)

I completely agree with you. All the labels mean different things to different people.
The legal acceptans of our gender identity is also diifferent depending on where we live. In Denmark you don't get legal change unless you are "castrated" (The danish law uses the word "castrated" not SRS, though in practic that is the same). Correct me if I am mistaken but I think that in Tennessee a transgender woman who has had SRS can not legally marry a cis-gendered man even if her legal status has been changed to "female" by an other state. Isn't that correct?
Even doctors and therapists enterpret the IDG-10 64.* diagnoses differently depending on their own prejudice and the legal, ideological and financial framework that their clinik works under.

Is it important that we agree? I think it is more important that we respect each others gender identity?

I agree with you on this actually, different places of the world would have their own law, i'm not talking about that tough i am talking about the fact that trans who get the srs medically are called transsexuals or if you would call it women due to the fact that they get srs, or castrated call it however you want. But this does not mean srs women are better or prettier or more womanly or more passable... this is just a term to define castrated trans woman.

[MdR Dave]

crossdreser>> shemales trainnies

You have the math wrong. And spelling.

Crossdresser "=" shemale "trainee".

Though sometimes it's a simple as crossdresser= crossdresser.








)yeah, you probably meant "leads to" but who knows. . Plus that's not funny!)

[BellaBellucci]

at this thread.....

How can we talk about equality when we can't agree how to define ourselves?? At the end of the day aren't we all sisters under the same flag

No. We're not. That's the whole point of this thread at which you're shaking your head.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

How do you know they don't do back ground check sweety, if you are on insurance they will look at your ss what are you talking about? unless you pay for all those medical check up yourself then you must be rich, because by experience its not cheap!!! they do back ground check for other things as well such as rent, car payment etc... don't lie to yourself.

What I said was that I read an article that said Social Security is no longer disclosing gender in background checks (if I find it again, I'll post it). I didn't say people weren't doing background checks, but those that are are only allowed to get certain information because we have identity theft and privacy laws.

What kind of doctors told you this? tough chances are low its nothing close to zero, do you know the prostate cases in transsexuals its not that rare. tough very low, as long as you still have those intact such as testicles, and penis you can get the same complications male can have that is why medically your still male so they know about these things.

So which is it? 'Not that rare' or 'very low?' Actually, it doesn't even matter. The point was that hormones make one chemically female, with all of the benefits and disadvantages therein. How can one be medically male if they're chemically female?

At worst, I can see a transsexual being medically classified as 'T,' but not 'M,' despite operative status.

having an srs does not make one genetically female and still male by birth and of prostate is intact could still get it, but the action taken to change the vagina makes them legally a female by sex. Did I ever say your a man if you keep your penis? we are all women just the labels are different to what extreme one goes trough it doesn't make one less or more of a woman.

We're still genetically male. Check. I got it. But it doesn't matter. Transsexuals are still chemically female and you can't see a chromosome. Therefore, for most medical purposes, it's our health needs as females that need to come first. A transwoman should get regular checkups but if she can only have one screening for cancer, it ought to be for breast cancer, not prostate cancer.

In fact, some use estrogen to battle cancer of the prostate.

MONASH UNIVERSITY
TUESDAY, 02 MARCH 2010

Prostate cancer is usually treated by
withdrawing testosterone from the patient
- but while this kills most of the cells, the
few that remain lead to recurrent, incurable
disease.

Monash University biomedical scientists have identified a new way to treat castrate resistant cells in prostate cancer sufferers - the most common cancer in Australian men.
For more than 60 years the main way to treat men with prostate cancer has involved removing the hormones that fuel growth of the cancer cells. Although initially effective this treatment inevitably fails and when the tumour growth resumes, the disease in incurable. The team, from the Prostate and Breast Cancer Research Program, has discovered a way to treat these potentially fatal diseased cells, which remain in a patient after they have undergone hormone treatment.

http://www.sciencealert.com.au/news/20100303-20666.html

~BB~

[Erika1487]

No we are not sisters. We are Ladies you know. (Just joking)

I completely agree with you. All the labels mean different things to different people.
The legal acceptans of our gender identity is also diifferent depending on where we live. In Denmark you don't get legal change unless you are "castrated" (The danish law uses the word "castrated" not SRS, though in practic that is the same). Correct me if I am mistaken but I think that in Tennessee a transgender woman who has had SRS can not legally marry a cis-gendered man even if her legal status has been changed to "female" by an other state. Isn't that correct?
Even doctors and therapists enterpret the IDG-10 64.* diagnoses differently depending on their own prejudice and the legal, ideological and financial framework that their clinik works under.

Is it important that we agree on the lables? I think it is more important that we respect each others gender identity?

100%

Correct me if I am mistaken but I think that in Tennessee a transgender woman who has had SRS can not legally marry a cis-gendered man even if her legal status has been changed to "female" by an other state. Isn't that correct?
Heather I would have to look that up, but many states including my own have very stringet marraige laws that, say SRS = Marraige. No srs = no marriage. The most a person can hope for is that the old bastards die out soon and the yonger genaration of political leaders make things better.