Can one be TG without implants and hormones?

[tsadriana]

No i was born a woman just with a big clit... what are you talking about?

I was born woman with a small clit

[BellaBellucci]

The Harry Benjamin protocol is to day called WPATH Standards of Care. Ofcause they make mistakes form time to time. They are human after all. However the stastistict I have seen the regrets is under 1%. Most of the regrets are due to medical complications. It is after all a complicated procedure and people should be aware that it can go wrong. Especially if the surgeon does not have enough experience. An other group of regrets are the religious regrets. Their surgery could very well be theraputically well founded but they was just so unlucky as to be hijact by people who told them that what they had done was sinfull and that they will go to hell if they don't transition back. Now I don't say that mistakes wont happen like a person who should have been diagnosed F65 (Fetishism) by mistake has got a F64 (GID) diagnoses but they are wery rare.

You talk about transgender (tg). The term "transgender" is not, and never was an official psychiatric diagnoses. To day it is most widely used as an umbrella term that also incompas transsexuals (ts). I do know that there are different deffinitions of "transgender" but non of it is official in any way.

Knowing how other people feel is somthing we just dont know, whether we are TS or not and whether we have the same literal self identification or not. We know how we feel our selves. And ofcause what we feel is valid. If a person feel that going forward with the transition is a lesser pain than going backward and de-transition. By all means continue.

All this protest and talk of Harry Benjamin and his outdated care model. So how much over 50 are you? You conveniently ignored this question the first time. 5 years? 10 years? When are you going to show us your face?

My read is that you're an over-the-hill CD rationalizing his own existence, and I'm sticking to it. You should be proud of who you are instead of trying to be something else, but you're not, because you yourself clearly find TS superior or else you wouldn't work so hard to bring us down to your level.

~BB~

[Heather Moorland]

.. if a cross-dresser told me she was a transsexual I would say no your a cross-dresser,..

Sure but you would have to know the person well to tell if it was a cross-dresser. Even if you was a psychiatrist you would need severel hours of sessions with the individual to give the proper diagnoses. And why would a cross-dresser lye about this? How often does it happen?

Most of the cross-dressers I have come across doesn't want to be assosiated with transsexuals at all. They think transsexuals are crackpots.

[EvonRose]

Sure but you would have to know the person well to tell if it was a cross-dresser. Even if you was a psychiatrist you would need severel hours of sessions with the individual to give the proper diagnoses. And why would a cross-dresser lye about this? How often does it happen?

Most of the cross-dressers I have come across doesn't want to be assosiated with transsexuals at all. They think transsexuals are crackpots.

no actually ts have been trough the most, physically, emotionally, and mentally. maybe that's why some have a chip on their shoulder. But every ts deserves the credit for what they went trough. no cd/tv/or tg can say they went trough what we did so maybe that's why they don't want to associate because we know more about this gender crap and they are intimidated by it.

[Heather Moorland]

All this protest and talk of Harry Benjamin and his outdated care model. So how much over 50 are you? You conveniently ignored this question the first time. 5 years? 10 years? When are you going to show us your face?

My read is that you're an over-the-hill CD rationalizing his own existence, and I'm sticking to it. You should be proud of who you are instead of trying to be something else, but you're not, because you yourself clearly find TS superior or else you wouldn't work so hard to bring us down to your level.

~BB~

I didnt start the Hairy Benjamin talk. No i am not over 50. You can go to the link in my signature. I think I have stated my age there somwhere. As for my face take a look at my profile page on this forum.

You can stick to what ever you like and stick it where ever you like it. I dont selfidentify as a cross-dresser and I don't think that transsexuals is supereor to anything. I selfidentify as a person with a female soul that happen to be born in a male body. That is why I get sad when somebody says I am not.

[EvonRose]

I didnt start the Hairy Benjamin talk. No i am not over 50. You can go to the link in my signature. I think I have stated my age there somwhere. As for my face take a look at my profile page on this forum.

You can stick to what ever you like and sick it where ever you like it. I dont selfidentify as a cross-dresser and I don't think that transsexuals is supereor to anything. I selfidentify as a person with a female soul that happen to be born in a male body. That is why I get sad when somebody says I am not.

Just for the record just because i say your a tg doesn't mean i don't think your not a woman, I was just trying to separate the labels and dissecting what they were but like i stated b4 there are many tg more woman than ts, its just i'm talking about the extreme measures ts take compared to tg women.

[BellaBellucci]

I didnt start the Hairy Benjamin talk. No i am not over 50. You can go to the link in my signature. I think I have stated my age there somwhere. As for my face take a look at my profile page on this forum.

You can stick to what ever you like and sick it where ever you like it. I dont selfidentify as a cross-dresser and I don't think that transsexuals is supereor to anything. I selfidentify as a person with a female soul that happen to be born in a male body. That is why I get sad when somebody says I am not.

So let me get this straight: you don't think transsexuals are superior, but you get offended when someone calls you a CD?

~BB~

[Heather Moorland]

So let me get this straight: you don't think transsexuals are superior, but you get offended when someone calls you a CD?

No I get offendet when you;

most of us girls then judge each other to help ensure our best chances of acceptance from mainstream society by weeding out the fakes and embarrassments,

This is Ideology. Who are you to judge who is fake or not? And even if an other TS embarras you, she still has a rigth to be a TS.
You are an embarrassments to the transgender comunity. You are just one of those HBS-bigots. I honestly didn't expect to find any of you in a forum like this. After all shemale porn and sexuality in general is usually not political correct amongst your hardline HBS-bigot freinds.
Fortunately it is not most girls that judge each other in the way you do.

[BellaBellucci]

No I get offendet when you;

This is Ideology. Who are you to judge who is fake or not? And even if an other TS embarras you, she still has a rigth to be a TS.

Again, 'she' has the right to call 'her'-self whatever she wants, but 'she' still doesn't have the right to force us to accept 'her' self-identification, particularly if there have been no actions performed to validate the words. The irony in that statement is I normally take people at face value unless I think they're purposefully misidentifying themselves... and I think you are.

You are an embarrassments to the transgender comunity. You are just one of those HBS-bigots. I honestly didn't expect to find any of you in a forum like this. After all shemale porn and sexuality in general is usually not political correct amongst your hardline HBS-bigot freinds.
Fortunately it is not most girls that judge each other in the way you do.

There are other metrics of judgment besides the HBS, so please direct me to a statement in which I supported HBS/WPATH or NTSF:SD:SUV or whatever they want to call it now? I could care less about it. I didn't get my medical care with an official diagnosis of GID, and I don't intend to.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

Sure but you would have to know the person well to tell if it was a cross-dresser. Even if you was a psychiatrist you would need severel hours of sessions with the individual to give the proper diagnoses. And why would a cross-dresser lye about this? How often does it happen?

Most of the cross-dressers I have come across doesn't want to be assosiated with transsexuals at all. They think transsexuals are crackpots.

CD's lie all the time! Why? Because by intentionally confusing our movement to socially validate a medical condition with their self-hatred, gender-doubt, and lack of consistent identity, CD's are grasping at our coattails to gain the same level of acceptance. It makes me sick. if you want the acceptance, then do the fucking work. If you don't care about that, then more power to you, but you still can't force me to share your delusional worldview. It's very simple. You're TS? Prove it.

As to CD's who want nothing to do with transwomen: it's called jealousy. Get to know that feeling well. It will be with you for the rest of your life.

Have you ever seen a TS jealous of a CD's lifestyle unless it involved their male-sized paychecks?

~BB~