Can one be TG without implants and hormones?

[MdR Dave]

So maybe this is dumb but as to the question in the title: if you don't do anything to trans your gender, isn't that just GID ?

[Heather Moorland]

So maybe this is dumb but as to the question in the title: if you don't do anything to trans your gender, isn't that just GID ?

GID (Gender Identity Disorder) is the psychiatric diagnoses. That is somthing a Psychiatrist give you regardles whether you do anything about it or not. GID is what the diagnoses is called to day. Before 1994 that diagnoses was called transsexuallity.

[MdR Dave]

Stated another way, if you don't trans anything. . .

[innocentbychoice]

I'm anti-illegal immigration too. Got a problem with that?! Does it make me closed-minded in that I expect people to come into our country using the channels we've given them, or be honest about their gender status based on the largely accepted definitions that came into existence long before I came along? You're not transsexual. You have no idea what's it's like to be judged by a stereotype that isn't even yours because of what some other people are intentionally trying to do.

How would you feel if you inherited a fortune that you helped earn from a family member and was forced to share it with ever other person who shared your name? Then have those guys go out and make fools of themselves with the money and tell people that they're you?

Transsexual women have no obligation to accept people of questionable identity when their own identity is fixed. Respect yes, but not accept. Trying to force us to do so is cheating and to demand so is unfair.



If they're 'full-time,' and their identity is constant, I can see the argument for saying that they're TS, sure, but I'd probably only agree on a case-by-case basis, which of course is why they make us see a shrink to get what we need to make sure there isn't another issue that's confusing our gender identity, and subsequently, most of us girls then judge each other to help ensure our best chances of acceptance from mainstream society by weeding out the fakes and embarrassments, and there is a countless number of them. I mean just look at some of the daffy bitches on this board! And moreover, when was the last time you heard an obviously transsexual woman brag that she was a 'part-timer' or had 'no breasts.' Sure, we've all seen 'no hormones' on ads for escorts, but most of them have breast implants and/or are 'full-time' at least.

In short, a CD/TV, by definition is not TS. Never was. May never be. A full-time TG is a TS if they identify as such, to me maybe, but I don't expect society at large to agree with me. Most people require proof of a person's commitment to something, and I'm one of them. It's impractical to just take anybody at their word about anything these days really. Thank you internet!



'Realist' = angry person now? Look, Pollyanna, if you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.

~BB~

Blah blah blah...

To sum it up, live and let live. Live your life by yourself, who gives a shit how anyone else wants to live? You know you're a transsexual, great! If somebody else says they're too, it's none of your business, is not affecting you. Live your live. That's it.

[FreddieGomez]

why does the pic in heather moorland's avatar look like a hairy man's ass?

[Heather Moorland]

why does the pic in heather moorland's avatar look like a hairy man's ass?

That is because Heather Moorland is only on hormones and has not had a buttlift yet. But don't you worry. As soon at I got the monny It will. And by the way, you are welcome to come up with a little contribution.

[BellaBellucci]

That is because Heather Moorland is only on hormones and not had a buttlift yet. But don't you worry. As soon at I got the monny It will. And by the way, you are welcome to come up with a little contribution.

How old are you? Over 50?

~BB~

[EvonRose]

Ummm no. Right now you're a "transgender", since you still have your penis. You'll be a transsexual after SRS. Kind of sucks when your own words bite you in the ass.

What's that? You're arguing? Well then, anyone who you consider "a transgender" can just say they're planning on getting SRS, *like you are* and then they'll magically be a transsexual.

There is a difference with a person who scheduled it, paid for it and is ready by the Harry Benjamin protocol, compared to someone who probably doesn't want it. You cannot help time, and schedule that is beyond our control it is what we strongly want for ourselves in the future. Kind of sucks when you have not studied this and kind of sucks that my mother who is trained on this field actually educated me.

You can say it and lie, but in reality if you never plan on it or don't get it your a transgender, I'm sorry is there something wrong with being a tg because you seem to be offended by what I said, maybe you should ask a professional and have them tell you the same thing, Have you seen a doctor for hormones because if you have you would have a better understanding about your identity... I am a transsexual and proud of it, if your a tg do the same, you turned into negative not me, so you have an issue with yourself.

[Heather Moorland]

I agree with you that the word transsexual as a tecnical term means "a person who has changed, or is in the process of changing the displayed sex of that persons genitals". Originally the term was envented as a psychiatric diagnoses, but to day that diagnoses has changed and is now called IDC-10 F64.0. A subcategory of a number of close related conditions caled GID or Gender Identity Disorder. The treatment of GID is defined by the Harry Benjamin association now called WPATH. Nowhere in the world can you have SRS without the diagnoses GID. (except Iran but thats an other story)

.... and is ready by the Harry Benjamin protocol, ...

The question is according to what Hairy Benjamin protocol? The one from the 1950'es when old Harry discovered the syndrome, the one from the 1980'es or the one that that is in place today defined by WPATH. The deffinition varies a lot. And I am not at all talking about the socalled "SOC-HBS" which are NOT mecial professionals but really just bigots with a low self esteem that has found some deffinition they can use to hit on others. (Those people really belong in a mental hospital)

The diagnoses has changed over time because the therapist have discovered that the world is much more divers that what would fit into their original litle boxes. As as they discover more of how the world is the diagnoses will change yet again. What remains though is that you can find transgender people (used as an umbrellaterm) as far back as the stone age and in all cultures and all ages.

[EvonRose]

I agree with you that the word transsexual as a tecnical term means "a person who has changed, or is in the process of changing the displayed sex of that persons genitals". Originally the term was envented as a psychiatric diagnoses, but to day that diagnoses has changed and is now called IDC-10 F64.0. A subcategory of a number of close related conditions caled GID or Gender Identity Disorder. The treatment of GID is defined by the Harry Benjamin association now called WPATH. Nowhere in the world can you have SRS without the diagnoses GID. (except Iran but thats an other story)

The question is according to what Hairy Benjamin protocol? The one from the 1950'es when old Harry discovered the syndrome, the one from the 1980'es or the one that that is in place today defined by WPATH. The deffinition varies a lot. And I am not at all talking about the socalled "SOC-HBS" which are NOT mecial professionals but really just bigots with a low self esteem that has found some deffinition they can use to hit on others. (Those people really belong in a mental hospital)

The diagnoses has changed over time because the therapist have discovered that the world is much more divers that what would fit into their original litle boxes. As as they discover more of how the world is the diagnoses will change yet again. What remains though is that you can find transgender people (used as an umbrellaterm) as far back as the stone age and in all cultures and all ages.

All those that you have listed above abide by the Harry Benjamin protocol, Getting an srs in the US, Thailand, Canada and other advanced countries abide by the Harry Benjamin protocol, if you don't qualify you will not be allowed to get an SRS, its more than just being treated with an GID, the protocol states a strong desire to have female genitalia and to be mentally prepared for the life of not having penis, transgenders just are not qualified!!!. Even then they make a mistake rarely and then ppl end up killing themselves after srs, there is a reason why the t world is categorized in different labels! not everyone is fit for some things, and some qualify for some others don't. A tg would never know or feel how a ts feels, ts have more of a higher extreme level of this GID thereof we are categorized and treated differently...

it's nothing bad, its okay we are all women just different path we choose, i cannot choose the path of a tg or i will never be happy and a tg cannot choose mine.