Can one be TG without implants and hormones?

[Teddy P.]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but if you aren't on hormones or don't have breast implants aren't you just a cd? On a sidenote, the girls who get on hormones before puberty sets in end up looking the best.

[Heather Moorland]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but if you aren't on hormones or don't have breast implants aren't you just a cd? On a sidenote, the girls who get on hormones before puberty sets in end up looking the best.

To the general public maybe, but if a person has a medical problem so she can not take hormones and deos not have the mony for cosmetic operations is she any less transgender because of that. Does these superficial things change what she feels inside?

[Heather Moorland]

I disagree.. their are tons of transsexuals who dont want to get srs...

I know severel people who selfidentify as transsexuals who does not want to have SRS. Some because they are to old and some because they don't feel they need a risky operation. (after all you have to dilate regulary in order to keep the vagina open and there will be wounds and stuff. Sometimes it will go wrong and you wil get a hole between the vagina and the anus. Yuck!) So in that way you are right. But Evon is allso rigth when it comes to the literal meaning of the word "trans-sexual" in this context "trans" = change and "sex" = genitalia.

also the scientific community lumps cd's,drag queens and transvestites into the transgender group as well...

The scientific community does not use the word "transgender." If you are talking about GID the drag queens and the fethishistic transvestites don't go in that category from a scientific standpoint.

The word "transgender" is used by the transgender comunity with different meanings. In the begining (1970'is) it use to mean those transsexuals who did not want SRS. Today some people call that "transgenderist," where as the term "transgender" is today more commonly used to define the entire comunity of gender incongruence. (TS,transgenderist,TV) Some people count drag queens and the fethishistic crossdressers in it to. Others don't.

[BellaBellucci]

But Evon is allso rigth when it comes to the literal meaning of the word "trans-sexual" in this context "trans" = change and "sex" = genitalia.

Wrong and desperately self validating, as usual.

Rightfully expanding on your obtuse definition then, a transsexual must change their sex characteristics (i.e. hormones, breast implants, legal identity) to be considered such by science and, for the most part, society, with the exception of self-hating men in dresses. SRS is only one piece of the puzzle. And you're creating a false equivalency between those who can't use hormones and those who won't.

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A-duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh. GTFO and take your crossdressing homeboys with you or I'll just keep taunting you with your own words like I have been for the last week.

Fucking mental midget.

~BB~

[rydermorrison]

well what criteria r u using? if a persons id says female and theyve legally changed their gender as it pertains to the law then who the fuck r u to tell them different? gender has nothing to do with whats between your legs...

[rydermorrison]

ur lumping ppl like myself and bella into a group with men... thats ludicrous

[Ben]

What are the specific side effects &/or adverse effects of taking hormones???????

[EvonRose]

well what criteria r u using? if a persons id says female and theyve legally changed their gender as it pertains to the law then who the fuck r u to tell them different? gender has nothing to do with whats between your legs...

your right gender has nothing to do between your legs however sex does...

that's why if you don't have your srs your transgender, if you have srs your transsexual... The group your with are not men they are transgender.

[BellaBellucci]

your right gender has nothing to do between your legs however sex does...

that's why if you don't have your srs your transgender, if you have srs your transsexual... The group your with are not men they are transgender.

*sigh*

Secondary sex characteristic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You must not be paying attention. I forgive you.

~BB~

[tsadriana]

This crap is still going?