HOMOPHOBIC GAYS and the difference between a TS & a CD/TV/DQ

[natina]

most people say that A TS/TG is just a man with boobs or a man with silicone pumped in there butt,cheeks ,hips,breast,chest,chin.

many here or HOMOPHOBIC ,HOMOSEXUALS.

most people say that A TS/TG is just a feminine man or a male that wants to be a girl.


many do not draw a distinct line between a TS or a TG or a CD or a TV or a DRAG QUEEN.

as far as many people or concerned all ts,tg,tv,cd,tv,dq are men

as far as many people or concerned all ts,tg,tv,cd,tv,dq are men in disguise.


there is a law on the books forbidden you to masquerade

http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=80102

First Run Features presents STONEWALL UPRISING, opening its regular theatrical engagements starting Friday, July 9, 2010 at Landmark’s Lumiere Theatre in San Francisco, and Landmark’s Shattuck Cinemas in Berkeley. The film was also screened last month as part of the Frameline34, 2010 San Francisco International LGBT Film Festival. STONEWALL UPRISING recounts the dramatic event that launched a movement whose impact has deeply affected the course of the human rights struggle. Told by those who took part—from drag queens and street hustlers to police detectives, journalists, and a former mayor of New York—and featuring a rich trove of archival footage, the film revisits a time when homosexual acts were illegal throughout America, and homosexuality itself was seen as a form of mental illness. Hunted and often entrapped by undercover police in their hometowns, gays from around the U.S. began fleeing to New York in search of a sanctuary. Hounded there still by an aggressive police force, they found a semblance of normalcy in a Mafia-run gay bar in Greenwich Village, the Stonewall Inn. When police raided Stonewall on June 28, 1969, gay men and women did something they hadn’t done before: they fought back. As the streets of New York erupted into violent protests and street demonstrations, the collective anger announced that the gay rights movement had arrived.

October 26, 1962, NYC. Dozens of “Queers” locked up on charges of masquerading and indecent exposure
at the National Variety Artists Exotic Carnival and Ball, held at the Manhattan Center.
Police and detectives herd the costumed guests into police wagons in front of the hall.
Photo, Bettmann/CORBIS

STONEWALL UPRISING.

A treasure-trove of archival footage gives life to this all-too-recent reality, a time when Mike Wallace announced on a 1966 CBS Reports: “The average homosexual, if there be such, is promiscuous. He is not interested in, nor capable of, a lasting relationship like that of a heterosexual marriage.” At the height of this oppression, the cops raid Stonewall, triggering nights of pandemonium with tear gas, billy clubs and a small army of tactical police. The rest is history.

Stonewall Bar, July 2, 1969. Disturbance on Sheridan Square, NYC.
Scenes at Christopher Street & 7th Avenue South with police trying to clear crowds.
Photo, Larry Morris, NY Times

Kate Davis and David Heilbroner have been producing award-winning documentaries for 15 years. They co-directed STONEWALL UPRISING, the first non-fiction film to tell the story of the Stonewall riots by the participants. Their film, Scopes: The Battle Over America’s Soul (History Channel, 2006), was part of Ten Days Which Unexpectedly Changed America, which won the Emmy® for Best Non Fiction Series in 2006. Jockey (HBO, 2004), was nominated for 3 Emmys and won the Emmy Award for Best Non-Fiction Directing. Pucker Up: The Fine Art of Whistling (2004), was broadcast worldwide and had a limited US theatrical release. They also produced Diagnosis Bipolar (2010) and Plastic Disasters (2006) for HBO, and numerous social justice films including Anti-Gay Hate Crimes (A&E Networks, 199 and Transgender Revolution (A&E Networks, 1999)

NYC police push back a crowd gathered near the Stonewall Inn.
Photo, NY Daily News

Stonewall Uprising (American Experience Series). DVD. 82 min. with tchr's. guide online. Prod. by WGBH. Dist. by PBS Dist. 2011. ISBN 978-0-3123-4269-2. $24.99.
Gr 9 Up—"In 1969, homosexual acts were illegal in every state except Illinois." With that statement, this film, based on David Carter's Stonewall: The Riots That Sparked the Gay Revolution (St. Martin's Press, 2004), sets the stage for a drama that culminates with the birth of the modern Gay Pride movement. Forty years ago, the idea of being "out and proud" was inconceivable to the men and women-some of them teenagers themselves in the late 1960s-who share their recollections in interviews. Homosexuality was classified as a mental illness. Laws against "lewd conduct" and "masquerading" were used to persecute those who dared to gather at the Mafia-run "gay bars." Despite this, GLBT people who had watched or participated in civil rights campaigns began forming their own "homophile movement" and connecting through groups like the Mattachine Society and the Daughters of Bilitis. After months of escalating crack-downs and arrests, when six police officers were sent to raid the Stonewall Inn in New York City's Greenwich Village in June 1969, they found themselves outnumbered. Instead of meekly submitting, the bar's patrons fought back, and they were quickly joined by a crowd of thousands outside. The riots were followed by what would become known as the first Gay Pride parade. Directors Kate Davis and David Heilbroner interweave archival footage from news coverage and educational films produced in the 1950s and 1960s with contemporary interviews of actual participants. Former Mayor Ed Koch, author Eric Marcus, and law professor William Eskridge provide historical information to set the events in context. The primary source materials, interviewee biographies, teacher's guide, and more supporting resources are available online. Highly recommended for school and public libraries.—Beth Gallego, Los Angeles Public Library, CA
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http://www.libraryjournal.com/slj/ho...sing_.html.csp

[natina]

ILLEGAL TO MASQUERADE

http://cinemawithoutborders.com/revi...-uprising.html



Kate Davis and David Heilbroner’s balanced documentary about the watershed event that kick-started the Gay Liberation Movement should be required viewing for all citizens of good will. PBS, who produced it for American Experience, clearly felt the same way. Stonewall was the gay rights equivalent of Rosa Park's refusal to sit in the back of the bus. It's a story aching to be told.

On the hot summer night of June 28, 1968, the police raided the The Stonewall Inn, a typical low-rent mafia owned bar that offered gays a surreptitious meeting place. Repeated raids were par for the course. But on this night the clientele resisted. Years of frustration boiled over. In solidarity the party-ers fought back. As word spread of the standoff, crowds appeared to fight the police. Interviewers remember their defining moment with a pride that's infectious.

The film's linear survey of the repressed Eisenhower Era and the rebellious 60's, remind us of the social turmoil that surfaced on that muggy night. Chilling archival footage paints the historical context, society’s institutionalized fear and repression of homosexuality.

In a 1966 CBS hour-long report "The Homosexuals", Mike Wallace (who later repudiated his involvement intones, “Two out of three Americans look on homosexuals with disgust, discomfort or fear. The CBS Public Opinion Survey indicates that sentiment is against permitting homosexual relationships between consenting adults without legal punishment... The homosexual, bitterly aware of his rejection responds by going underground". Showing secret footage of a local meeting place, Wallace continues, "It's usually after the day of the beach that the real crime occurs, it's interesting to note how many youngsters we see in these films."

Detective John Sorenson, of the Dade County (FL) Morals and Juvenile Squad, lectures high school students. “They can be anywhere, they can be judges, lawyers, we ought to know, we've arrested all of them...One out of three of you will turn queer…and you will be caught. This is one thing you can't get away with...the rest of your life will be a living hell."

"Note how Albert delicately pats his hair and adjusts his collar,” narrates an educational film, “His movements are not characteristic of a real boy". Martin Boyce, a Stonewall participant recalls his closeted childhood. "You had to be smart... You had to remember everything. I realized I was being trained as a straight person so I could fool people." John O'Brien, another participant recalls, "I Learned very early that those horrible words were about me."

Prior to Stonewall everyone was in the closet. "There was no out, there was just in" says writer Eric Marcus.

Later in the Wallace report activist Richard Inman, the president of the Florida Chapter of the homophile Mattachine Society explains that gays are "not in favor of the legalization of marriage between homosexuals and adoption of children. You might find some fringe characters someplace who says that that's what he wants." Wallace asks" "Are you a homosexual?" "I gave it up ...over four years ago, it's not my cup of tea" says Inman, flashing a satisfied smile.

In the conformist 50's (think "Suddenly Last Summer") gay people were often sent to insane asylums by family members: the victims of punitive cures: aversive electric shock therapy, lobotomies, sterilization even castration. California's Atascadero State Hospital (known as the 'Dachau for queers') practiced a sort of experimental pharmacological water boarding. Confined homosexuals were driven mad in institutions.

Small town gays fled to New York or other big cites. In New York they clustered in Greenwich Village, where they found a refuge in the beat and emerging folk scene. With no political presence the "twilight people" frequented side street bats, with cloaked windows, fearing the constant police raids. Bar's that allowed gays were raided. Only the mafia had the muscle and strategy for evading the vice laws. They profited, selling stolen booze for outrageous prices. Many laws were used to arrest homosexuals including solicitation and loitering. An 1845 statute made it a crime to masquerade. Drag was an arrest able offense. Cops in drag were used for entrapment. Plainclothes cops hide in subway bathrooms.

Violence against 'queers' was condoned or police looked the other way. One talking head describes the vigilantes who used walkie-talkies to coordinate attacks on gay men. "Men were strangled, shot, thrown in the river,” he claims.

Early activist groups like the Mattachine Society or Daughters of Bilitis attempted to fit into society as it was-to dress like straights and diffuse the threat of their otherness. But the Civil Rights movement, Anti-war civil disobedience and Woman's Movement changed all that.

Bars that allowed gays were raided. The state liquor license stated that 'one known homosexual' in a licensed premise made a place 'disorderly'. Only the mafia had the muscle and strategy for evading the vice laws. They profited, from their cigarette machine and Juke Boxes. They sold truck-high jacked liquor, for outrageous prices.

The filmmakers used personal accounts mixed with recreations (since photos were scant and footage unavailable) to play out the Uprising. Both sides get their moment. Along with a group of proud rioters and onlookers, we hear from then Councilman Ed Koch, and the wheel chair confined. 91 year-old, police Officer Seymour Pine, who led the raid that night. Pine remembers being trapped inside the Inn with his small detail of cops as the riot escalated outside.

Village Voice reporters Howard Smith and Lucian Truscott, IV, both barricaded inside, used their press cards as protection from the police and the rioters. "Afraid they would think I was a cop” Smith complements Pine on keeping control of his men. "You knew that the first shot that would be fired meant that all the shots would be fired...it was terrifying. As bad as any situation I had met in the army" recalls Pine.

"I wanted to kill those cops. They got that,” explains O'Brien, who finally put his experience in Anti-War demonstrations to a more personal cause.

It was getting getting bigger by the minute. People started throwing pennies, screaming "pigs and copper." Lighter fluid was used to start fires, lobbed into the door anytime it opened. John O'Brien uprooted a parking meter to use as a battering ram. It was the first time the police seemed frightened. "We were winning" realized the celebratory crowd. Martin Boyce’s defiant kick line singing "We are the village girls, we wear our hair in curls " had their heads smashed with billy clubs. The cops had never seen anything like it. "Gay people were supposed to be weak men." Tactical cope arrived and pushed back the rioters, who kept running back from different sides, as animated maps detail. The crowds pushed the TAC phalanx back. In control, the uprising went on for hours.

At dawn the streets filled with shattered glass seemed magical to Boyce "The streets we fought on were strewn with diamonds. It was like a reward. We did it... but we're gonna pay dearly for this." The bar reopened Saturday night as if nothing had happened. Unlikely neighbors supported it. "Bout time you fags rioted' said Boyce's father. The fight escalated. Tactical police in large numbers arrived. Exceedingly brutal, "they went for the head wounds." The uprising continued for nights. Boyce remembers, "It was thrilling. It was the only time I was in a gladiatorial sport. I was a man." News reports were minimal. Truscott's report in The Village Voice, which used the word "faggotry" elicited the first Gay Power demonstration and lead to the word 'gay" becoming lingua franca at the Voice. The New York Times trivialized the riot as "The Night the Drag Queens Fought Back."

"We became a people,” recalls Doric Wilson, another participant. A protest march was the next move. The Gay Proud March on June 28 legitimized the struggle. The first gay march, unplanned and without speakers, (about 120 strong) set off for Central Park. As they went up 6th avenue it kept growing to 2000 strong. "We were ourselves for the first time. We were so innocent, and oddly enough we were so American."

Officer Pine has the last word. "You knew you could ruin them (the people you arrested) for life...you felt bad. You knew they broke the law, but what kind of law was that?"

[SirCumsAlot]

do u really think someone really gonna read all this?

[RainMan]

Didn't read it but is it about gays who hate flamboyant gays?

[natina]

1845 statute prohibiting cross-dressing. As originally enacted, the New York statute made it a crime to assemble “disguised” in public places

an arrestable offence
the 1845 statute that made it a crime in the state to masquerade

[jerseyboy72]

do u really think someone really gonna read all this?

Agreed.

[doctor screw]

do u really think someone really gonna read all this?

Real shit,lol
I see where shes coming from,but she kinda over did it a little bit

[Devilboy]

I'm not totally sure if this is in line with your post but as a straight male I see the difference for sure. I am attracted to GGs and passable TG girls...IF I find them attractive. I am in no way attracted to cross dressers or TVs...you would have to live and view yourself as a woman for it to work.

Huge differences in my opinion.

[natina]

at 21:15 INTO THE VIDEO they talk about how it was a crime to masquerade.


An 1845 statute made it a crime to masquerade. Drag was an arrest able offense.

cross-dressing laws (including a 1845 law making it a crime to masquerade) ...


you had to have three articles of male clothing on not including.....see video



http://www.dragqueendiaries.com/blog...go-this-month/


http://cinemawithoutborders.com/revi...-uprising.html

In the conformist 50's (think "Suddenly Last Summer") gay people were often sent to insane asylums by family members: the victims of punitive cures: aversive electric shock therapy, lobotomies, sterilization even castration. California's Atascadero State Hospital (known as the 'Dachau for queers') practiced a sort of experimental pharmacological water boarding. Confined homosexuals were driven mad in institutions.

[natina]

Attention divas, daggers, dykes, sissies and studs: sashay shante, y’all. According to Oakland's Code of Ordinances, your style is illegal.

Immoral Dress Code 9.08.080 has been in place since 1879: “It is unlawful for any person in the city to appear in any public place nude or in the attire of a person of the opposite sex, or in any indecent or lewd attire.”
In terms of concentration of same sex couples, Oakland is ranked among the top five major metropolitan areas in the nation. Certainly our city is as socially conscious as it is diverse. Yet shockingly, in 2010, cross-dressing remains an offense “against public peace and decency.”
I first learned of this wacky time warp while attending an Oakland LGBT Roundtable meeting. Stephanie McLeod, pictured above,an intern with City Council Member Rebecca Kaplan’s office, created a slide show presentation which contextualized the ordinance.
The civil war ended and the 15th amendment was ratified. Population explosions accompanied the gold rush and the transcontinental railroad; the latter saw Oakland grow from 1,500 people in 1860 to more than 36,000 in 1880. As the railroad’s western terminus, Oakland experienced a rush of new businesses, new manufacturing industries and new jobs. Migrants from the south, and immigrants from China and Southern Europe, changed the demographics of the area.
“People who were not perceived to be part of the social ‘norm’ were marginalized and criminalized,” said McLeod. “Everyone is affected by this, not just queer people. If this law was enforced today, all the women on the police and fire departments could be charged with a misdemeanor for cross-dressing.”
Though I have been out of the closet for 18 years, I admit sometimes I avoid learning about atrocities of the past; I'm already overwhelmed and frustrated by present day inequality. But after McLeod's presentation, I got curious.
San Francisco preceded Oakland with a similar law in 1866. By 1930, most cities in California had dress code laws. From the mid-19th century, the state enacted all kinds of legislation against LGBT behavior; convictions led to forced sterilization, castration, indefinite hospitalization and life imprisonment. The law lumped child molesters and homosexuals together as “perverts.” Women suffragists wore pants in protest. German theorist Karoly Maria Kertbeny disputed the criminalization of “homosexuality” (a term he coined). Racist medical texts linked the idea of "degenerate" races with "degenerate" sexualities.
In the wake of immigration legislation in Arizona, legislation that enables racial profiling, can we afford to leave vague laws on the books, laws that are subject to the interpretation of the times? Political climates change. In 1850, the state of California outlawed “crimes against nature.” Before 1900, this mainly applied to public sex, rape, and sex with a minor. But the early 20th century experienced a heightened anxiety over visible gender difference in urban communities, and homosexuals were increasingly arrested for “crimes against nature.”
As McLeod emphasized, “It could happen again.”
Shush! What’s that sound? Is it the bang of 1,000 fairies fainting in disbelief, falling to the floor? Nope. It’s the vogue boom of butch-queens dropping into suicide dips, their backs clapping the ground. An elegant tranny lip syncs Mary J. “You can’t keep a good woman down!”

http://oaklandlocal.com/article/cros...l-oakland-1879