Capitalism with no Government

[giovanni_hotel]

You can't worry about shrinking the deficit when unemployment is 9%.
Get people jobs, then worry about cutting government spending.

[trish]

US Treasury announced its 2011 financial closing, $15.22 trillion in debt. Thats 100.3% Debt/GDP ratio. Think we need to redefine our "priorities".

Finally. Yes. We need to forget this deficit shit for now and get people working. Austerity programs at this point in time will just send us right back into recession, increase the deficit and lose more jobs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/op...ands-debt.html

[Faldur]

This is where our fundemental differences come into play. I do not believe government can create jobs. Only the private sector can create productive, tax paying jobs. This whole "shovel ready" line of BS has been shown not to work. Again IMHO, you want to create jobs get government to start showing some fiscal responsibility such as.. oh lets see.. a budget? Show the private sector a responsible government and you will see job creation.

[trish]

I do not believe government can create jobs.

How many postal workers are there? How many public teachers are there? How many construction workers built and maintain State and Federal Highways? How many damns, were designed and built by State and Federal government? How many soldiers are there? How many firemen? How many State police? Municipal police? How safe would you feel without them? It's not a matter of belief. It's a fact that government directly hires people for hundreds of thousands of jobs and contracts with private industry thereby creating millions more. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact that austerity measures have never ever worked to create jobs and lift a nation out of a depression. It not a mysterious fact either. It's easily explained: with austerity, there's no increase in demand...no demand, no increase in production...no increase in production, no new jobs. Econ101, the economy runs on demand.

[russtafa]

hey who is leading in the polls? in Australia our version of the democrats[labor] are dragging their sorry asses in the polls they might not come back for twenty years .who's leading in the States ?

[Faldur]

How many postal workers are there?

Too many, what shows up in your mail box? Everything I get goes directly in the recycle bin. Were loosing $5 billion every year just to receive junk mail and advertisements. Privatize and actually create revenue to the treasury.

How many public teachers are there?

This is a state responsibility, abolish the department of education.

How many construction workers built and maintain State and Federal Highways?

Oh, you mean the ones with 1 guy working and 4 watching? One of the biggest waste of monies we have. Block grant the funds, turn it over to the states, and restrict it to the private sector.

How many damns, were designed and built by State and Federal government?

How many damns were designed and built in the last 15 years?

How many soldiers are there?

Responsibility of the Feds, God bless the men and women who are brave enough to serve.

How many firemen? How many State police? Municipal police? How safe would you feel without them?

Responsibility of the state, its why we pay property taxes.

There is no reason for the federal government to spend money at the levels they are currently doing. Any further deficit spending would be foolish. We could easily return the level of spending to that of 2007 and there would be no difference. You really mean to tell me the funding levels 4 years ago were so lacking? Were people starving? Were SSI checks bouncing? Return to 2007 levels of spending and we have a balanced budget. Even in this depressed economy.

Its so damn ridiculous to think that we "must" continue giving money away like we are. Anything government does, it does extremely poorly. Hello Solyndra? The US Postal service is a perfect example, it is no longer needed. Privatize the deliveries that are still required and lets start getting some tax revenue for our money spent.

Again, fundamental difference of opinions. Liberals want the federal government to be the Nanny of all. Conservatives want the government to operate within its means, and only help those who are really in need of help. 1 in 7 Americans really need food stamps? 3 years of unemployment compensation? Really?

[muh_muh]

Too many, what shows up in your mail box? Everything I get goes directly in the recycle bin. Were loosing $5 billion every year just to receive junk mail and advertisements.

so youre against private industry doing their job?

[Faldur]

so youre against private industry doing their job?

No, they are using the best legal system available to them. But why should the taxpayers continue to subsidize this system? $5.1 billion dollars last year. If the private sector were doing the job of the US Postal service 574,000 jobs would begin to pay taxes to the treasury, rather than draining.

The delivery cost would go up, but it would be the option of the consumer if they want to pay for it. And the government would save $5 billion along with receiving tax revenues from the delivery employees. A win/win in my book.

[Ben]

How many postal workers are there? How many public teachers are there? How many construction workers built and maintain State and Federal Highways? How many damns, were designed and built by State and Federal government? How many soldiers are there? How many firemen? How many State police? Municipal police? How safe would you feel without them? It's not a matter of belief. It's a fact that government directly hires people for hundreds of thousands of jobs and contracts with private industry thereby creating millions more. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact that austerity measures have never ever worked to create jobs and lift a nation out of a depression. It not a mysterious fact either. It's easily explained: with austerity, there's no increase in demand...no demand, no increase in production...no increase in production, no new jobs. Econ101, the economy runs on demand.

Trish is right.
And, too, where does all that Pentagon spending go??? What about soldiers? Don't they live off the public dime. Aren't they government workers, employed by the government???
And, too, how many people would actually support a private police force? Private fire department? And how would a private police force work? And, too, as Trish points out about roads: who will build them? I mean, why would, say, Microsoft build roads in, say, Conway, Arkansas??? How does that maximize their return on investment?????? Why would Coca-Cola build a bridge in, say, Wilson County, Tennessee.... How does that improve their net income????

[muh_muh]

No, they are using the best legal system available to them. But why should the taxpayers continue to subsidize this system? $5.1 billion dollars last year. If the private sector were doing the job of the US Postal service 574,000 jobs would begin to pay taxes to the treasury, rather than draining.

The delivery cost would go up, but it would be the option of the consumer if they want to pay for it. And the government would save $5 billion along with receiving tax revenues from the delivery employees. A win/win in my book.

entirely missed the point there well done

so youre against private undustry advertising? isnt it your duty as a good capitalist to not through away the ads but instead study them and buy their stuff?