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    Lightbulb Capitalism for the middle class, socialism for the rich, indeed

    Capitalism for the middle class, socialism for the rich, indeed

    The middle class and poor get crumbs from measly "bailouts" such as the lackluster sub-prime mortgage assistance program and a tax rebate check for $600; while the rich get more tangible bailouts to the tune of billions. Capitalism for the middle class, socialism for the rich, indeed! This is what you get when corrupt Republicans and the Corporate sociopathic personality rule the economy. One of the ways to change this dynamic is to remove corporation's status as a separate entity unbound by individual consequences and place more responsibility on the executives that direct corporate actions.

    We need to end the the welfare era for the rich via tax cuts, Halliburton / war "no bid" handouts, oil company gouging and corporate bailouts. Instead, the American government needs to lift the middle class with investments in education, job training, energy independence (from domestic oil companies too!), health care and economic programs such as small business development and tangible mortgage assistance.

    The only choice for fiscal conservatives in this election is Obama. By electing Obama POTUS and other fiscally sympathetic representatives, the middle class can then exercise its newfound power over insurance companies, corporations and bankers. You want us to bail you out? Here are some of our demands:

    Will the tide finally turn during an Obama Presidency? After analyzing Obama's economic positions (including health care, tax policies and budgeting), most economists say "yes!"

    After eight years of the Bush Presidency, McCain style deregulation and tax policy that favors the rich, the American middle class has been taken hostage and told they will lose everything (trickle down financial ruin) if they do not bailout the big banks, investment firms and insurance companies. Bush & Cheney have perfected the panic mode wealth transfer that Naomi Klein describes so well in "The Shock Doctrine." This multi-trillion-dollar parting gift is their payback to the upper class that helped orchestrate their election

    The middle class and poor get crumbs from measly "bailouts" such as the lackluster sub-prime mortgage assistance program and a tax rebate check for $600; while the rich get more tangible bailouts to the tune of billions. Capitalism for the middle class, socialism for the rich, indeed! This is what you get when corrupt Republicans and the Corporate sociopathic personality rule the economy. One of the ways to change this dynamic is to remove corporation's status as a separate entity unbound by individual consequences and place more responsibility on the executives that direct corporate actions.

    We need to end the the welfare era for the rich via tax cuts, Halliburton / war "no bid" handouts, oil company gouging and corporate bailouts. Instead, the American government needs to lift the middle class with investments in education, job training, energy independence (from domestic oil companies too!), health care and economic programs such as small business development and tangible mortgage assistance.

    The only choice for fiscal conservatives in this election is Obama. By electing Obama POTUS and other fiscally sympathetic representatives, the middle class can then exercise its newfound power over insurance companies, corporations and bankers. You want us to bail you out? Here are some of our demands:



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    Default Re: Communist scolding usa Socialist president

    Quote Originally Posted by robertlouis View Post
    Thought you might be. It's funny how US politicians use labels like liberal and socialist as bogymen scaremongers when they have no idea of what they actually mean.

    Calling Obama "socialist" is so stupid that it's actually offensive.
    The sad thing is that many European countries have such better systems of dealing with the kind of societal problems (education, healthcare, jobs, housing, prisons/rehabilitation) that every day Americans worry about that most would want it if they learned of it and it did not have labels like socialist or social democracy which most Americans do not understand because the media uses propaganda to make it look scary. Most Americans are so concerned about what if their kids get hurt or can't get a scholarship for college or how to pay off their student loans...well, in places like Sweden, Norway, even American countries like Brazil, public higher education is free. Heck, most Americans will never live as well as Norwegian inmates. Oh but it is better because there are more gadgets and Warren Buffet pays a low tax rate.



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    Default Re: Communist scolding usa Socialist president

    We have a fucked up political system my foreign friends.


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    Default Re: Communist scolding usa Socialist president

    Quote Originally Posted by Silcc69 View Post
    We have a fucked up political system my foreign friends.
    I reckon (from the outside), that apart from freeing up the stasis caused by some of your checks and balances, the infrastructure of your political system is actually pretty good. It also promotes local participation and debate in a way that's sadly now mostly lost or discredited over here.

    The core issue is with your politicians and the chicanery they will adopt to subvert those mechanisms for their own purposes.


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    Default Re: Communist scolding usa Socialist president

    Quote Originally Posted by robertlouis View Post
    I reckon (from the outside), that apart from freeing up the stasis caused by some of your checks and balances, the infrastructure of your political system is actually pretty good. It also promotes local participation and debate in a way that's sadly now mostly lost or discredited over here.

    The core issue is with your politicians and the chicanery they will adopt to subvert those mechanisms for their own purposes.
    We have a 2 part system that dominates over here. So you have swing either democrat or republican to really do something. 3rd parties don't even have much of a presence here. Most of the time they simply take votes away from one part so the other one will win. If we could take all of the money and corporate influence out of politics it would be a much better system.


    Quote Originally Posted by tjinla2001
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    Default Re: Communist scolding usa Socialist president

    Quote Originally Posted by Silcc69 View Post
    We have a 2 part system that dominates over here. So you have swing either democrat or republican to really do something. 3rd parties don't even have much of a presence here. Most of the time they simply take votes away from one part so the other one will win. If we could take all of the money and corporate influence out of politics it would be a much better system.
    You'll never achieve that, but a strict limit on the size of donations that corporations and private individuals can make would be a start.


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    Default Re: Communist scolding usa Socialist president

    there are pro's and con's to a strong welfare society. it's great that old people that have pay'd taxes all their lives have a right to a pension.the same with disability pensions for people that are incapable of working or a great public hospital system.but housing for junkies and criminals or aboriginals or immigrants? the welfare system just seems to snowball


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    Default Re: Communist scolding usa Socialist president

    Quote Originally Posted by bladex76 View Post
    wow i never thought i would see the day when a Communist country would scold our Socialist president. Ya gotta love it! is this how bad our economy is ??
    Definitely. Let's get back to the 1930-1980 era when the top income tax bracket was around 90%. These socialists today have ruined everything.



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    Default Re: Communist scolding usa Socialist president

    Quote Originally Posted by scroller View Post
    Definitely. Let's get back to the 1930-1980 era when the top income tax bracket was around 90%. These socialists today have ruined everything.
    Under Republican -- that is: Republican -- President Dwight Eisenhower the top marginal tax rate was 91 percent.
    Both parties have shifted to the right [especially true under Clinton] to placate big business. I mean, political parties need money. And who has the money? The big ol' corporations.
    And what do corporate executives want? Less taxes. And when you reduce the marginal tax rates then executives pull the money out of the corporation and declare it as income.
    High marginal tax rates mean executives keep the money in the company so the company grows.
    There is a scene in Wall Street (1987) where Gordon Gekko is talking about how all these managers of all these corporations do, well, nothing -- ha ha ha!



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