My point of view on prostitution

[dbev]

Your paying to watch porn not much of a difference.

Plus we don't get used for hours at a time either lmfao.

I'm not paying, I'm reducing my dose of porn, overall, but especially of professional porn.

[dbev]

Just to put things clear.

I'm not a troll, nor a dumbass, nor a white night... I'm striving to be a better human being and to respect who and what is around me.

Suffering is what we built in our doomed civilization.

And, yes, $5 per hour in Pizza Hut is suffering, is exploitation and it's another form of the reason why we're doomed.

[nycguy69]

When 2 adults voluntarily exchange sex for money don't they each end up having gained something? The client receives the satisfaction he was seeking and the service provider gets cash. Who is exploiting whom exactly?

And more fundamentally, doesn't the service provider own her or his body? Isn't the client's cash his property to do with as he sees fit?

[MrF]

And my concern on prostitution is because it's the best example of why our civilization is doomed.

So, if we're really doomed, why bother ? Being doomed means you can't do anything about it.

Besides, if you accept that prostitution is the "world's oldest profession", then we've been doomed since the start of civilization, which is a bit contradictory. Then is it maybe like war ? A constant scourge of mankind ? I don't get your reasoning.

I would agree that there are serious moral problems around prostitution, but I think prostitution is inevitable, the only question is how to mitigate the problems. I think the Germans have it right: make it legal, control it, keep it in certain zones, and protect the rights of those involved. Those who don't want to be involved don't need to concern themselves. I mean, we are talking about adults exercising their free will.

[Nicole Dupre]

If you want a 'trophy' GG, you get one. If you want a 'trophy' TS, you get one. How you do it is entirely on YOU. Anything else you might complain about is just sour grapes, I would think.

It's such an old arrangement, and it's definitely not going away. And, if it's not you, it will be someone else. Women have plenty of options when they're sexually desirable.

So I guess you either 'get some' as NSA/FWB, or as a BF, or as a husband. If you couldn't pull off one of three, there's probably something lacking about you. Desirability is nothing you can force on women. You can't expect people to date as a form of charity. lol You're either desired or you're not. lol Why get defensive, or tell people what you will or won't do? That's like bragging that you don't buy women flowers or drinks in a bar. lol It seems like a slightly petty stance to take. lol

[dbev]

So, if we're really doomed, why bother ? Being doomed means you can't do anything about it.

Besides, if you accept that prostitution is the "world's oldest profession", then we've been doomed since the start of civilization, which is a bit contradictory. Then is it maybe like war ? A constant scourge of mankind ? I don't get your reasoning.

I would agree that there are serious moral problems around prostitution, but I think prostitution is inevitable, the only question is how to mitigate the problems. I think the Germans have it right: make it legal, control it, keep it in certain zones, and protect the rights of those involved. Those who don't want to be involved don't need to concern themselves. I mean, we are talking about adults exercising their free will.

First, we are doomed because our civilization is based on exploitation. But I cannot accept exploitation. Let's all disappear tomorrow, but without this mess before it...

Second, that is exactly what I think: we have been doomed since the beginning of our civilization with the Sumer (4,000 BC), and surely since Babylonia. It's not contradictory.
Either we are altogether an evolutionary error like many others in the history of this planet or something, when humans became farmers went wrong.
You may know that when we were hunters/gatherers the position of women in the society was equal and very respected, because they were running the business and men were always away.
Then, we settled down as farmers (8,000 BC), men started to realize that 1 man and 5 women meant 5 children, while 5 men and 1 woman meant 1 child, and began to lock away women who, ever since, became objects and cows.
You may also know that war began at around the same time, as a form of ritualized hunting, in order to have young males "express themselves".
So, whatever the origin, we have a civilization with a history of exploitation on everything and everyone surrounding us.

Even if we do as in Germany, there are always the aspects of the human - human relations that are wrong... this is the point...

If I understood everything correctly, I like Nicole Dupre's point of view, because she understood the issues at stake and she put them in a really effective way. It's not a case that buying other people's bodies for sexual pleasure is not allowed in Sweden, Norway and Iceland where women hold the majority or almost the majority of parliamentary seats and public offices.

[onmyknees]

Another do-gooder trying to save the world from itself. Save yourself first !
You should have begun your post by saying..."In a perfect world.........."
While I don't make light that there is a some serious negative aspects if a girl gets in with the wrong people, I'm a free market capitalist, and that transaction between lady and client is the purest form capitolism I know of. A desire.... a need if you will, and someone willing to pay for that service , and a person willing to provide that service.
I wish it were so that only emotionally stable, well adjusted ladies enter the profession well past their 21st birthday, there's simply no way to accomplish that.

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

The OP obviously isn't 'all there'. It won't do any good responding to this guy in a serious fasion. The weird little world in his head has been carefully built brick by brick over the years and you just can't engage in any meaningful way with these kind of human caricatures. Lost cause, too far gone. Added to my ignore list. Ya'll might want to do the same.

[MrF]

^ Yeah, he might be a hopeless cause. But there is a majority in the USA who dislike prostitution, enough to make it illegal, so it's interesting to argue about it.

I still don't get how we're doomed for thousands of years and especially the new info he provided that women were more "equal and very respected" when we were hunter/gatherers, so we've degenerated since then, presumably. But how do you know ? From stone artefacts ? Or extrapolating from the few hunter/gatherer societies that exist now (from which I see no evidence that women are better off). Not a very well supported thesis, in my opinion.

[hippifried]

There are no hunter/gatherer societies. Every one of them plants & tends crops. That makes them farmers.