My point of view on prostitution

[dbev]

Some of you may not like what I'm writing, but this is my point of view and, fortunately, I'm not the only one thinking so.

In prostitution, people are always exploited and enslaved.

First of all, there are perverts (the clients), married or not, who like to use mainly women for their shameful pleasures; because what they do with the prostitute is not sex - in sex there are two equals who are both having fun - but use of the other's body for their pleasure, therefore very similar to rape.

Secondly, there are the exploiters of those poor lonely souls, who earn on the bodies of these humans.

Thirdly, there are too many people who turn away and stigmatizes girls, rather than seeking to help.

We need to:

• change the mode of relationship between men and women,
  
• treat this mass of perverted psychopaths who like to use the other's body
  
• and copy Sweden, Norway and Iceland that punish customers with at least 6 months of imprisonment.

Nowadays, with websites and bars / pubs, if a person wants to meet another person to practice some healthy sex with shared pleasure, that person could easily do so.
To do this, however, one must strive to please other people. But sex and shared pleasure are not something sought after by clients, that's just ugly, filthy, disgusting exploitation of the bodies of others and these perverts do not see women as people but as things.

The clients (who are also other people's partners, fathers, grandparents) of the - mostly women and 20% minors for around USD 60 billion estimated income mostly controlled by organized crime - are perverts with big mental problems - it is clear from the studies that you can also find on the net - and are the reason for the existence of this vile trade.

I also read that all prostitutes have symptoms of post-traumatic stress syndrome; all of them, even people who say they do it voluntarily, by choice, because they like it.

Imagine how much damage these perverts of clients, how many scars they leave on these poor souls.

Let's try to apply humanism and as (also) Mahatma Gandhi said: "Be the change you want to see in the world".

In Sweden, Norway and Iceland, States where the presence of women in public office is very high, it's working...

Finally, on a more general level, the issues that overlap, in my opinion, are:

• the relationship between humans and the environment in which they live, which is set to exploitation;
• the relationship between human beings and human beings, which is set to exploitation;
• the relationship between human men and women, which is set to exploitation.

To change society, even though I think the species Homo sapiens sapiens is doomed to extinction because of our inability to conceive relationships not based on exploitation, we must change our way of being.

[loveboof]

Interesting opinions.

Personally I have never visited a prostitute, but I can't count out the possibility in the future. I am not some perverted psychopath, and I think it's safe to assume that most customers of escorts (etc) are the same.

'The oldest profession in the world'... this is not a new problem lol. Humanity is not doomed simply because of exploitative relationships!

Sex with prostitutes is obviously not the same as sex in a long term healthy relationship, but I don't think that makes it shame worthy. And your solutions are based on some unrealistic and possibly unattainable premises - which in turn makes them unviable as an answer.

If you want to apply a humanist solution to the issue of prostitution, I think you first need to better understand human needs. Your critique of the 'customer' is heavily biased and emotionally involved - as opposed to accurate (which is what you need)..

[dbev]

My critique comes from "clinical studies" that I've read conducted by psychologist and sociologist.

Prostitution is not the oldest profession in the world, it's the oldest form of exploitation of human beings on human beings.

And, Loveboof, I know from experience that we cannot judge or evaluate objectively ourselves and our problems... we need an external eye in order to do so... that's why we have doctors...

[loveboof]

Please show me the 'clinical studies' which concluded that all men who seek out prostitutes are perverted psychopaths...

And 'the oldest profession' joke simply proves this is not a new problem.

[needsum]

DBEV, I'm curious--have you ever visited a prostitute? How about an escort? Have you ever had a one night stand? HAve you ever NOT called a woman ever again after having sex with her? I respect the fact that you had the guts to post here of all places, but I respectfully disagree with many of the things you said. I fit your main demographic--I'm married, late 30's, and I do indeed see an escort on occasion. However thats where my link to your theories ends. When I am looking to find a woman to spend some time with, I am not searching for some dumb, empty hole to fill. What I look for is a woman who is eager and interested to interact with me and all of her customers. And, while you may not believe this, many women enjoy what they do. I have had more that a few encounters over the years where I have felt both an intense physical AND emotional connection to the woman I was with at the time. Women can fake an orgasm, and some may even fake a smile, but I believe that it is very difficult to fake the enjoyment that a lot of us are seeing with the girls that are out there. How do I know this, because there is a forum that offers the opportunity for guys to share experiences, and for the girls to join in and talk about it as well. (HA's format is based directly from this other sites format and they both work exactly the same).

Yes, women are exploited sexually in this business. Yes, there is sex trafficing. And yes, men do get exploited, ripped off, scammed, etc as well. So when you offer your opinions, just don't forget to include both sides of the coin. Many women get into this business because they are looking for ways to get away with whatever they can. many need to pay their bills and working a regular job is difficult for a host of reasons. Many do it because they love sex, and feel getting paid for it is just a bonus. Our moralistic society has put such a black mark on prostitution that we innately feel like it is something bad. Honestly, while it does have its bad elements, as does every other trade in the world, I don't feel it is something to be ashamed about or to be looked down upon. You seem to be coming from the aspect of "Men selling women as sexual objects" as the basic staple of the industry. probably 99% of any of the experiences I have had have been with independant women, or with agencies that are run by women who employ independent women. While your stats may be true, there seems to be a big hole in your fundamental arguement.

[Jackal]

The Sweden model was designed without the prostitute in mind. They're just pretending to care. Its because of people like you that violence against prostitutes are often unreported or ignored, and generally treated like crap by society.

[scroller]

I know a practicing psychologist who does research in this area, and says pretty much exactly the opposite of everything asserted by the OP. Just to look at analysis of one part, the sex-trafficking numbers are entirely fictitious:

None of the media that published Richardson's astonishing numbers bothered to examine the study at the heart of her claim. If they had, they would have found what we did after asking independent experts to examine the research: It's junk science.

http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-03-...-junk-science/

[Jericho]

First of all, there are perverts (the clients), married or not, who like to use mainly women for their shameful pleasures; because what they do with the prostitute is not sex - in sex there are two equals who are both having fun - but use of the other's body for their pleasure, therefore very similar to rape.

Absolute twaddle!

[Prospero]

I think you are msitaken in your opening premise. In the transaction that occurs between a hooker and her client, an agreement has been reached. Sexual intercourse or some other form of sex occurs. it is technically sex. It could be rape if the prostitute (male, female or transgendered) was forced by some method (and yes it could be rape if the hooker in question was perhaps forced by her pimp) But in general its a consensual business exchange - an offer of sexual gratification offered in exchange for money. This is not perversion in the generally accepted sense.

[Edwoodwoodwood]

I believe Needsum pretty much summed it up for me and I suspect many of the guys on this forum.

I too fit the demographic profile outlined and have crossed over the fence and dabbled with many escorts over the years be they GG or TS. Its not something I'm proud of and I'm sure my wife & family would be none too chuffed if they found out either.

As Prospero says it always has been (in my experience) a consensual financial arrangement. It seems that the going rate is circa £150/hr in the UK but can be a hell of a lot higher. You tell me where you can earn £150/hr. Other than a barister you've gotta be looking at a drug dealer.

I believe that I have been mugged many more times than the escort because I'm the one stupid to part with the cash. Better spent on sex than drugs in my opinion.

I'm sure there are horror stories of people smuggleing and child prostitution out there as there are with peodophiles but the activities of the people on this forum athough maybe a little wierd I don't believe fit the average criteria you preach to us about.

We all know the dangers out there but I don't believe you will get too many supporters on HA.