Andrej Pejic

[jamiethewild]

Jesus! thank you, Jamie. A down to earth, grounded lady with great common sense who tell things the way they are!
None of this really has anything to do whatsoever with Andrej Pejik. He’s just a model for whom we have some admiration because of his feminine qualities, whether by the way, we recognize them or not. And nobody is pretending, as far as I know, that he’s a woman: that’s ridiculous. You just have someone here who’s mixing everything, and insulting everyone, and who in the end, implicitly denies the fact that t-women are women by considering everyone here gay. Which is utterly fucking absurd (excuse my French once again)!!!!

Dan your a very nice and chill guy here in this forum and i have respect for you, you seem to be a very understanding towards the TS community and support us when we have conflicts with people here that don't see us as woman and thank you for that ... I see why some men would would attracted to Andre he does resemble feminity and i respect the fact that you compliment him but NO transwoman looks up to him that am aware of.... Thats ridiculous he (bottomXO) thinks everyone here is gay i read all the insults he got here that just says how much this forum is pretty straight lol i make sure to hunt him down till he leaves , Thank you for sweet commits dan..

[danthepoetman]

But Amber, you completely ignore the second part of my post, that you nonetheless quoted completely. I can’t believe that you don’t get my point, here! Pejik is not the point! And I’m starting to suspect that something is really not right in your interventions… I mean, what is this? are you just trying to prove you’re right? Let me just quote myself again:

JPH’s point is ultimately that men on this forum recognize, against a large majority of people in our society (who are doing exactly that, judging), t-women to be women, and that most express a real admiration not only for t-women’s beauty, but also for your courage and dedication. We all consider t-women to be women to the fullest extent, and we all (or almost all) have desire for femininity, not virility (brrrr!). By his slurs, bottomguy is implying the opposite, he’s implying that you aren’t women and that we are all gay; and therefore, that there is no reason for us not to have desire for him, who’s so obviously a gay man! And moreover, he insults us because we don’t! It doesn’t have anything to do with Pejik precisely. It’s because we are not gay that he insults us! This is why your reaction seemed a little strange to me too. Your equation “interest for Pejik”=”gay desire”, just doesn’t make sense, and doesn’t define this bottomguy’s attitude in the least bit either, on the contrary… Understand that I’m saying all this to you only with the greatest respect. I understand your feelings as a woman and I respect them; but you have to understand where we’re coming from in all of this. Please!

Now let me be clear on one thing, Amber, whatever you think and feel like, if I am gay, that definitely means that you are a man in a dress. There is no way around this. I’m a top guy, I don’t take it up the ass, and I’ve always been clear on this. If I am gay to you, you are saying implicitly about yourself (you understand the meaning of the word?), no matter how much you twist your logic, that you are a man. Either I’m gay and you’re a man, or either you’re a woman, but I’m not gay. No way around this, no matter what you think about Pejik or anybody.
And I would like to add one more thing: by giving into this bottomguy’s logic, you gave him credibility, which is not very sensible to say the least. But hey! fine: at this point, I personally don’t care anymore…

[danthepoetman]

Dan your a very nice and chill guy here in this forum and i have respect for you, you seem to be a very understanding towards the TS community and support us when we have conflicts with people here that don't see us as woman and thank you for that ... I see why some men would would attracted to Andre he does resemble feminity and i respect the fact that you compliment him but NO transwoman looks up to him that am aware of.... Thats ridiculous he (bottomXO) thinks everyone here is gay i read all the insults he got here that just says how much this forum is pretty straight lol i make sure to hunt him down till he leaves , Thank you for sweet commits dan..

Exactly, Jamie. You seem to understand completely what this is about! Pejik is unimportant; it’s an excuse. So no: let me thank you once again. You impress me with your good sense. You’re a down to earth lady and obviously, no one can fool you…

[jamiethewild]

you do notice that your using male pronouns while talking about him right lol.like the poster underneath you said (merkurie i think it is) i have seen him talk about himself and his gender in variety of conflicting and confusing ways but feeling like a woman was something he's never expressed.
i think alot of what society thinks about trans woman is what they are exposed to in the media.they see people like Andrej, rupauls drag race and jerry springer and think thats what being trans is all about.on some part i think the porn industry is also responsible for what people think about trans woman as well. we're not exactly represented as woman who want nothing other than to live their lives as woman but as inbetweeners, confused and comical.i personally dont have anything against Andrej (i think he's gorgeous) or the men attracted to him.im just not going to pretend that being attracted to him is the same as being attracted to me or that its hetrosexual to be into him.
im not calling anyone names or trying to put anyone down.i respect how you and others may feel about it.i feel how i fell and im not going to change my mind.i think i expressed my opinion in an intelligent and respectful manner.i really dont have much else to say on the matter.

media likes to give misrepresentation what Transgender woman is about that ... thats where people in life base they logic and people start making assumptions of what transwomen is about , however any guys in here completing Andre might have me ?? a men's sexuality or sexual orientation
and can be tricky to decide on other hand androgynous does fall into the transgender umbrella since transgender can be ts /cd/tv/dragqueen/ androgynous etc !

[amberskyi]

But Amber, you completely ignore the second part of my post, that you nonetheless quoted completely. I can’t believe that you don’t get my point, here! Pejik is not the point! And I’m starting to suspect that something is really not right in your interventions… I mean, what is this? are you just trying to prove you’re right? Let me just quote myself again:

Now let me be clear on one thing, Amber, whatever you think and feel like, if I am gay, that definitely means that you are a man in a dress. There is no way around this. I’m a top guy, I don’t take it up the ass, and I’ve always been clear on this. If I am gay to you, you are saying implicitly about yourself (you understand the meaning of the word?), no matter how much you twist your logic, that you are a man. Either I’m gay and you’re a man, or either you’re a woman, but I’m not gay. No way around this, no matter what you think about Pejik or anybody.
And I would like to add one more thing: by giving into this bottomguy’s logic, you gave him credibility, which is not very sensible to say the least. But hey! fine: at this point, I personally don’t care anymore…

i dont recall calling you gay anywhere.i think your personalizing and putting words in my mouth.i can give two flying fucking trannies what you are or arent.it has no bearing on my life.stop trying to peg me as intolerant or whatever.i had an opinion and i expressed it with out name calling or pointing of fingers.leave it alone.i respect everyones opinion even if i dont agree with it.try doing the same
you may not agree with my logic but its not unclear or confusing.if the person considers themselves a woman and lives their life as a woman than they are a woman.being attracted to them is not gay.however if someone considers themselves a man no matter how pretty they are still living life as a man.
if you want to think im a man in a dress that up to you.i know one thing when my dress comes off i still look like a woman so your opinion is what ever to me lol.ive explained it time and time again the difference between a trans woman and other gender variant people.i cant keep going over this.

[GrimFusion]

I think somebody may be getting a little too over-defensive.

[bottomXOslave]

JPH is my crush guy lol

[Tika]

Pejic pics or shut the fuck up, please. Nobody cares about angsty dickwaving unless the dickwaver is super hot.

[jamiethewild]

[QUOTE=Tika;1203466]Pejic pics or shut the fuck up, please. Nobody cares about angsty dickwaving unless the dickwaver is super hot.[/QUOTE"




Actually i hope your aware the moment Pehic's thread started you should should know that discussions like this would rise throughout the thread .

[jamesedwards]

Not my type, not womanly and just to skinny for my taste