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    Just announced - Rebekah Brooks has resigned.

    And the whole saga creeps inexorably closer to the source.


    But pleasures are like poppies spread
    You seize the flow'r, the bloom is shed

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    Excellent - the lightning conductor has been removed. Roll on the showdown next week.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Prospero View Post
    Excellent - the lightning conductor has been removed. Roll on the showdown next week.
    And Murdoch is coming to the commons to refute all the "lies" that have been told about his company. Sounds like the old bastard has finally lost it.


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    Ho o ho... I'd not put it past the old fella to survive all of this and still emerge with the whole of BskyB in a few months.



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    The second largest shareholder, Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal was on Newsnight and stated categorically she had to go -and now she's gone, surely no coincidence. It was also pointed out in the Telegraph that hacking into a phone of someone who has melted in the World Trade Center is not going to succeed, presumably the argument will be that voicemails are stored and are not just on the sim card, but there were no reliable communications into New York that day, and how would a hacker of known who to hack other than any names that appeared in the news reports after the event. Barbara Boxer on Newsnight waffled on about the law, but so far there is no evidence of it being broken in the US -there, its politics pure and simple until someone comes up with hard facts, which we are still waiting to have tested in a court of law.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Prospero View Post
    Ho o ho... I'd not put it past the old fella to survive all of this and still emerge with the whole of BskyB in a few months.

    With it being Roop, I'd give it a 20% chance at best - anyone else 5%.

    But against an odds-on certainty a month ago, it's shifted just a little.....


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    I wonder what would have happened if Rupert Murdoch had retired when he was 65...



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    I just saw this Fox & Freinds clip that really fucking pisses me off. These lying scumbag fuckers are claiming this NOTW hacking scandal is the same as all those other recent hacking scandals like what happened to Citicorp, and Bank Of America, so we should just move on. The only difference is those companies were HACKED INTO, and News of The World was DOING THE HACKING!



    This channel always pulls this type of bullshit because they know many of their viewers are too lazy to look things up for themselves and will accept this muddied version of reality that Fox presents as the truth.



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    The Blood on Murdoch's Hands

    By DAVID SWANSON

    Nailing Rupert Murdoch for his employees' phone tapping or bribery would be a little like bringing down Al Capone for tax fraud, or George W. Bush for torture. I'd be glad to see it happen but there'd still be something perverse about it.
    I remember how outraged Americans were in 2005 learning about our government's warrantless spying, or for that matter how furious some of my compatriots become when a census form expects them to reveal how many bathrooms are in their home.
    I'm entirely supportive of outrage. I just have larger crimes in mind. Specifically this:
    International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:
    Article 20
    1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.
    The Fox News Channel is endless propaganda for war, and various other deadly policies. As Robin Beste points out,
    "Rupert Murdoch's newspapers and TV channels have supported all the US-UK wars over the past 30 years, from Margaret Thatcher and the Falklands war in 1982, through George Bush Senior and the first Gulf War in 1990-91, Bill Clinton's war in Yugoslavia in 1999 and his undeclared war on Iraq in 1998, George W. Bush's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, with Tony Blair on his coat tails, and up to the present, with Barack Obama continuing the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and now adding Libya to his tally of seven wars."
    In this video, Murdoch confesses to having used his media outlets to support the Iraq War and to having tried to shape public opinion in favor of the war. That is the very definition of propaganda for war.
    The propaganda is, also by definition, part of the public record. Although that record speaks for itself, Murdoch has not been shy about adding his commentary. The week before the world's largest anti-war protests ever and the United Nation's rejection of the Iraq War in mid-February 2003, Murdoch told a reporter that in launching a war Bush was acting "morally" and "correctly" while Blair was "full of guts" and "extraordinarily courageous." Murdoch promoted the looming war as a path to cheap oil and a healthy economy. He said he had no doubt that Bush would be "reelected" if he "won" the war and the U.S. economy stayed healthy. That's not an idle statement from the owner of the television network responsible for baselessly prompting all of the other networks to call the 2000 election in Bush's favor during a tight race in Florida that Bush actually lost.
    Murdoch's support for the Iraq War extended to producing support for that war from every one of his editors and talking heads. It would be interesting to know what Murdoch and Blair discussed in the days leading up to the war. But knowing that would add little, if anything, to the open-and-shut case against Murdoch as war propagandist. Murdoch had known the war was coming long before February 2003, and had long since put his media machine behind it.
    Murdoch has been close to Blair and has now published his book -- a book that Blair has had difficulty promoting in London thanks to the protest organizing of the Stop the War Coalition. Yet Murdoch allowed Mick Smith to publish the Downing Street Memos in his Sunday Times. Murdoch's loyalty really seems to be to his wars, not his warmakers.
    John Nichols describes three of those warmakers:
    "When the war in Iraq began, the three international leaders who were most ardently committed to the project were US President Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Australian Prime Minister John Howard. On paper, they seemed like three very different political players: Bush was a bumbling and inexperienced son of a former president who mixed unwarranted bravado with born-again moralizing to hold together an increasingly conservative Republican Party; Blair was the urbane 'modernizer' who had transformed a once proudly socialist party into the centrist 'New Labour' project; Howard was the veteran political fixer who came up through the ranks of a coalition that mingled traditional conservatives and swashbuckling corporatists.
    "But they had one thing in common. They were all favorites of Rupert Murdoch and his sprawling media empire, which began in Australia, extended to the 'mother country' of Britain and finally conquered the United States. Murdoch's media outlets had helped all three secure electoral victories. And the Murdoch empire gave the Bush-Blair-Howard troika courage and coverage as preparations were made for the Iraq invasion. Murdoch-owned media outlets in the United States, Britain and Australia enthusiastically cheered on the rush to war and the news that it was a 'Mission Accomplished.'"
    Bribery is dirty stuff. So is sneaking a peak at the private messages of murder victims. But there's something even dirtier: murder, murder on the largest scale, murder coldly calculated and played out from behind a desk, in other words: war.
    Murdoch is a major crime boss being threatened with parking tickets.
    I hope he's brought down, but wish it were for the right reasons.
    The U.S. House Judiciary Committee chased Richard Nixon out of town for the wrong reasons. The full House impeached Bill Clinton for the wrong reasons. And the worst thing the U.S. government has done in recent years, just like the worst thing News Corp. has done in recent years, has not been spying on us.
    It's no secret what drove public anger at Nixon or what drives public anger at Murdoch. But, for the sake of historical precedent, it would be good for us to formally get it right.
    Charge the man with selling wars!

    David Swanson is a writer in Charlottesville, Va.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavros View Post
    I wonder what would have happened if Rupert Murdoch had retired when he was 65...
    Olberman would be news director at FOX & O'Reilly would be preaching Marx.


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