Kimber James: FREE PORN!

[bartholomeus]

smc?

[dgs925]

Pathetic argument - you are worthless.

I am absolutely worthless to the porn community, no doubt about that, since I give zero percent of my income to it.

[GroobySteven]

smc?

The company that runs almost all the solo girls sites, Kimber, Bailey, Morgan, Sarina, etc.

Just checked and you get 14 sites for one price.

[kaiser1one]

Seanchi, the argument is still valid though. Piracy indeed is merely copying from the source. Granted any potential money that could have been made may be gone. However, like that example I posted in another piracy related thread about the author who's whole comic was posted on 4chan and his sales actually increased, money can still be made.

It's not as simple as piracy = money loss when it could infact bring in more money than you were or may get.

[GroobySteven]

Seanchi, the argument is still valid though. Piracy indeed is merely copying from the source. Granted any potential money that could have been made may be gone. However, like that example I posted in another piracy related thread about the author who's whole comic was posted on 4chan and his sales actually increased, money can still be made.

It's not as simple as piracy = money loss when it could infact bring in more money than you were or may get.

Again, that copying from the source argument doesn't stand up - it's a product with an investment in it. If all potential comic book buyers had access to that individuals product, then he would never be able to make a profit on it.
With porn SOME piracy, does probably bring us sales back in. That's why on many levels we've allowed fans to swap small amounts of content and post it on domains like Hungangels. However, when a potential buyer comes onto the internet and he can get a whole website ripped AND the updates for free, the ability to convert him into a paying member has became extremely hard.

There actually IS a way to profit from piracy and that is to sue the pirates and those engaging in it. If you look at a company like Corbin Fisher, they've made a business out of it.

[bartholomeus]

Yeah just saw it. This is very smart, that's what i was thinking. Is there any grooby option that links all together?

My thinking is there will always be thieves and the new adults are all the generation that grew downloading mp3's, we think everything can be got for free online, and are more computer savvy. Its a difficult attitude to change, and the ball is always on the production company because thieves will always come up with new and innovative ways to copy material.

I believe the music industry is bigger than porn? and they sure have had a difficult time keeping the profits they had previous to the digital music era.

How do you get a site to take off copyrighted material on say a tube whose site is hosted overseas?

[GroobySteven]

Yeah just saw it. This is very smart, that's what i was thinking. Is there any grooby option that links all together?

My thinking is there will always be thieves and the new adults are all the generation that grew downloading mp3's, we think everything can be got for free online, and are more computer savvy. Its a difficult attitude to change, and the ball is always on the production company because thieves will always come up with new and innovative ways to copy material.

I believe the music industry is bigger than porn? and they sure have had a difficult time keeping the profits they had previous to the digital music era.

How do you get a site to take off copyrighted material on say a tube whose site is hosted overseas?

Somebody asked about this on a different thread. Our sites simply could not sustain the amount of content we put up on a weekly basis (on each site) at a decent sales ticket (the numbers we looked at were well over a $100 a month). We do have discounts to many sites and do special offers (http://www.shemaledeals.com) and we do have a system here which I think is excellent and many take advantage of as it doesn't mean they are on one site or rebilled monthly http://www.grooby.com/tickets/index.html

We also have billing changes underway that would allow people to become more selective but sincerely, our business model is working and we're doing better than most companies because we are hitting specific niches with what they are asking for.

If a tube site is hosted in Europe then sending DMCA's will get it removed fairly fast. If a company does not respond to DMCA's you then go directly to it's host, billing company or even domain registrar and inform them as they can become liable for their clients.

[tvkim]

Been reading this thread and I'm just thankful that my adult paysite is not a direct source of income to me.

My main job is a well paid jewellery designer and graphic designer at a large company in the UK.

If I had to rely on making enough money to pay bills etc from my site, I would be very worried indeed by all the piracy going on.

Only this week, I have finally seen the light and took off all but one video from my xhamster account. What they are doing is getting out of hand there. I see so much copyrighted stuff on there now.

It used to be just home made amateur stuff, now it seems to be direct rip offs.

As for the steaming issue to stop downloading and uploading. It's very easy especially on a MAC to capture ANYTHING that moves on the screen, which can then be uploaded again.

I've seen plenty of vids by one of the main Adultwork T-girls regularly appear on torrent sites free to download. Jo jets stuff is all over the place too.

It appears that like the music business, piracy is just going to get worse. As for tracking ISPs etc. They just use a proxy server pr ISP shield to get round that!

We are all doomed!!

Just my take on things.

[Quiet Reflections]

True anything you talk about serious on here is never talked about...

I brought up the Cal Osha meeting and barely anyone commented.

How condoms are going to become mandatory etc.

You think the viewers would care me..

I thought they drafted a proposal but hadn't decided on what to do yet. Weren't the performers(producers,etc) there to try to convince them it would cause work loss, decreased profits and ultimately a mass exodus from the state. I would think It would be a while before they sent their final draft to the state for approval anyway right? Porn is a huge part of California I can't imagine they would want to clear the entire Valley and lose the heart of the industry to Vegas or Canada(or somewhere).

[zorga]

fun fun