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    These are pictures of buildings that have fallen over, note that they did not spontaneously pulverize themselves on the way down. In order for pulverization to occur there must be a seperate source of energy to act as the catalyst of the pulverization.






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    Here is a simple mind experiment (ala Albert Einstein):

    You are in a tree in your yard with a chain saw. The tree is 25 ft tall. You cut one side of the tree 5 feet from it's top with the saw. Which way does the top of the tree fall?

    Does it fall to the side on which you cut the path of least resistance?

    Or

    Does it fall straight down through the path of greatest resistance, the trunk, and pulverize itself on the way?


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    Quote Originally Posted by iamdrgonzo View Post
    Fact, jet fuel and office fires do not burn any hotter than 1400F, steel alloys don't reach their melting point until 2700F.
    Fact, steel doesn't have to melt in order to become compromised. Have you ever heard of Sherman's Neckties?


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    Quote Originally Posted by iamdrgonzo View Post
    Ignorance is bliss.

    You still haven't poked any holes in the science.

    All you have done is toss a few sticks and stones.

    I'm not impressed.
    As I previously stated...I could dedicate the remainder of my life countering you with factual data, but what would be the point.? I'd rather spend that time playin with Trans Women... You're twisted and cemented into your mindset....so stay there... you and Jesse Ventura just keep on keepin' on in your curious little alter reality. It must be fun !!


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    I always thought conspiracy theorists were funny people. One minute they complain about how incompetent the government is and the next they are trying to convince you those same incompetent people are capable of pulling off highly elaborate schemes.



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    To all you people who are sickened or angered by the "Truthers," have you actually looked at the evidence? Be honest. Don't just brush it off until actually investigate. Until then you have right to speak on the subject.


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    The towers were concrete elevator shafts in the center, with the floors radiating from there out to the steel exoskeleton. The exoskeleton is square tube steel posts running the full length of the building.

    The first plane hit in the middle of the building. Lots of damage, but IMHO the building would have survived. The second plane hit the corner & farther down, putting even more weight on the point of impact. This causes the first collapse as the explosion tweaks & kinks the corner posts of the exoskeleton. That building actually toppled at the point of impact. As the top of the building falls over, the elevator shafts shatter from the shear forces, & the rest of the posts are bent & twisted. The exoskeleton peeled like a banana.

    The collapse of a building that big releases an enormous amount of energy. I believe the USGS got a measurable seismic reading on the collapse. A siesmic wave creates a phenomenon known as liquifaction, where the ground acts like jello. This is what causes most of the damage in earthquakes. But the average earthquake is 10 miles down or more. All this energy was released right at the surface & through the foundation to the bedrock from the top.

    It's my considered opinion that the ground shaking from the first collapse caused a shearing effect at the base of the elevator shafts in the other tower. It doesn't need to shear completely. You just have to put enough cracks in that hollow structure that it shifts. The steel exoskeleton could probably take the shear pressures, but not the concrete elevator structure. 130 some stories of concrete is a lot of weight. Once it starts moving at the bottom, it'll just pulverize itself from the bottom up. As the shaft structure starts dropping, it drags the floors & the exoskeleton with it, & pancakes to the ground. It's a classic implosion. It was just too big to contain.

    See? Not a conspiracy theory. The heat theory never made sense to me. Steel bends from torque.


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    Quote Originally Posted by loren View Post
    Fact, steel doesn't have to melt in order to become compromised. Have you ever heard of Sherman's Neckties?

    You would like to compare the railroad ties used during the civil war to modern steel alloys that are used in the construction of sky scapers?


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    Quote Originally Posted by onmyknees View Post
    As I previously stated...I could dedicate the remainder of my life countering you with factual data, but what would be the point.? I'd rather spend that time playin with Trans Women... You're twisted and cemented into your mindset....so stay there... you and Jesse Ventura just keep on keepin' on in your curious little alter reality. It must be fun !!
    As I previously typed I'm not impressed with your ignorance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hippifried View Post
    The towers were concrete elevator shafts in the center, with the floors radiating from there out to the steel exoskeleton. The exoskeleton is square tube steel posts running the full length of the building.

    The first plane hit in the middle of the building. Lots of damage, but IMHO the building would have survived. The second plane hit the corner & farther down, putting even more weight on the point of impact. This causes the first collapse as the explosion tweaks & kinks the corner posts of the exoskeleton. That building actually toppled at the point of impact. As the top of the building falls over, the elevator shafts shatter from the shear forces, & the rest of the posts are bent & twisted. The exoskeleton peeled like a banana.

    The collapse of a building that big releases an enormous amount of energy. I believe the USGS got a measurable seismic reading on the collapse. A siesmic wave creates a phenomenon known as liquifaction, where the ground acts like jello. This is what causes most of the damage in earthquakes. But the average earthquake is 10 miles down or more. All this energy was released right at the surface & through the foundation to the bedrock from the top.

    It's my considered opinion that the ground shaking from the first collapse caused a shearing effect at the base of the elevator shafts in the other tower. It doesn't need to shear completely. You just have to put enough cracks in that hollow structure that it shifts. The steel exoskeleton could probably take the shear pressures, but not the concrete elevator structure. 130 some stories of concrete is a lot of weight. Once it starts moving at the bottom, it'll just pulverize itself from the bottom up. As the shaft structure starts dropping, it drags the floors & the exoskeleton with it, & pancakes to the ground. It's a classic implosion. It was just too big to contain.

    See? Not a conspiracy theory. The heat theory never made sense to me. Steel bends from torque.

    Hokum


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