Something to consider.

[Ineeda SM]

I don't think you have one ounce of sincerity in you, so I'm not falling for it. You're a transparent troll, but even trolls deserve an explanation on ocassion...

So... let me get this straight.....you are willing to give up your right and privlidge to free speech to pacify some psychopaths in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and you're worried about the Republican Party platform written by some party lobbyists in a K Street office? LMAO...I think one of the most overused words on here is Troll ( espicially by you) but it seems quite appropriate here.

Your party defends partial birth abortion and it's in your party platform ( although they disguise it as woman's health issues)
There's a reason they call it that...( partial birth abortion) think about it.....or should I describe the actual medical proceedure for you? Your party becomes apoplectic when the issue is raised in discussion to limit this proceedure or outlaw it altogther, despite polls that show an overwhelming public distaste and distain for the proceedure. It's right there in your party's platform...of course they don't speak about it in straightforward terms ..... how could they?
So now that we know the party platforms are written by the extremes in both parties...what should we do about it? Nothing...It's meaningless. Move on...stop the feigned outrage. I'm not a Republican but there is not one current candidate for president that would identify with the views you've stated as "being the republican party position"

I don't know why that verbiage is in there....I'm not a party hack , but the vast majority of people I know that identify themselves as Republicans do not identify with that, just as the vast majority of people I know who identify themselves as democrats are repulsed with partial birth abortion. Two wrongs don't make a right. There's many things to fear in our world.... Net Neutrality, the Fairness Doctrine, war on 3 fronts, Islamic Terrorism, the price of gas, 10% unemployment, borrowing 4 billion dollars a week from foreign countries, the ending of QE2, poverty, and on and on we go...
Party platforms are not one of them. Listen to what the candidates say...not what how the party platforms read.

You really need to use a dictionary. You spelled 8 words incorrectly. Oh and you saying I don't have one ounce of sincerity, coming from you is quite amusing, very ironic, and just what a troll with no defense does. He accuses his accuser of what he himself is guilty of. Another famous republican reaction.

I wondered how long it would take for you to troll your way into this thread and twist the truth to ruin it. You said, "So... let me get this straight.....you are willing to give up your right and privilege to free speech to pacify some psychopaths in Pakistan and Afghanistan..." No I never said that at all you troll. And you know I didn't say that. Using common sense and doing the right thing to save innocent lives is not pacifying anyone. But then again, common sense is something you have no clue about.

I started this thread for people exactly like you. The party you love and praise so highly, hates and despises everything this site stands for. You claim to be a TG which means they hate you too. You kiss the asses of those who hate you and think you are mentally ill and warping the minds of our children. Now there is only 2 possible reasons for you to do this.

1) You are just plain stupid...OR

2) You are not actually a TG and just some real right wing nut job here to stir the pot of hate and lots of that famous republican propaganda. Or in other words, A TROLL.

So far, everything you say and do proves the #2 choice to be accurate.

You say you are not a republican, yet all you do here is praise everything republican, and condemn everything democratic. If you don't think the people here see through your BS, then you are just blind or stupid or both. But then you knew that too. More proof you are a troll.

Gee I thought you were just going to ignore me. I knew you couldn't resist. Trolls can never resist. There are only 3 of you that do this here, so it doesn't bother me too much. The rest of us know it. I just think it is sad that you enjoy ruining threads for your personal enjoyment so much.

Those 2 official party platforms that I stated are the truth. It IS what they both stand for. And you know that too. I just asked a simple straight forward question, and you come here to distort every fact. Yet you have the audacity to call ME the troll. But a trolls duty is to dispute and distort the facts to promote your right wing lies and hate. So of course, here you are.

Now go away and let the adults get back to being adults.

[TJ347]

Listen to what the candidates say...not what how the party platforms read.

And that's the bottom line! Of course, when you think of everything in life as being black and white, this is the kind of illogic that results. Now he's apparently trying to register people to vote on behalf of Obama... It's better than being a troll though.

[Ineeda SM]

And that's the bottom line! Of course, when you think of everything in life as being black and white, this is the kind of illogic that results. Now he's apparently trying to register people to vote on behalf of Obama... It's better than being a troll though.

And our next contestant TROLL #2 shows up to ruin a good discussion. Exactly what trolls do. They don't know how to discuss anything like adults. They just come in to spread their hate and ruin it for everyone else.

Awwww you poor trolls. It is killing you to be so wrong all the time, isn't it. So you have no choice but to spread hate and lies to get even. There the proof of you being a troll. You just keep proving me to be correct.

[TJ347]

I only speak for myself and not for anyone else. I like to think of myself as libertarian, there are ideas on both sides that I can agree on. I don't see things as black and white, democrat/republican. In your above statement it says that democrats are open for all lifestyles,, then why do I get arrested for prostitution in very liberal Baltimore and same in very liberal NYC? Why don't democrats embrace my lifestyle and not arrest me for it?

There are things I can say about republicans as well but they don't claim to embrace my lifestyle, but democrats and liberals are supposed to be on my side, then why don't they allow me to live my lifestyle?

Firstly, you are correct in that neither the Democratic or Republican party are open to "alternative lifestyles". It was only after multiple states began to recognize gay marriage that Obama decided to stop enforcing DOMA. He could've done it from the start, but he didn't. That's one example where Democrats are concerned. As for Republican examples... How much time have you got? Individual Republican politicians seem to have different degrees to which they agree with the party position, but there is no doubt that the Republican party itself doesn't even pretend to accept LGBT individuals. Still, I think being right up front with your disapproval is better than appearing to be open to discussions yet having already made up your mind that you disapprove. So we agree on that, Yvonne.

However, contrary to what you said in another post, homosexuality is not viewed as "normal" now; it is accepted as a reality and no longer viewed as a mental disorder (by many, if not most people), but it is most certainly not regarded as normal by society at large. I can see how you would think so given that numerous states now recognize gay marriage, but this is a matter of political expediency (i.e. a play to secure the vote of the gay community), not actual acceptance. In that way, as has been said in various places, gay is the new black. As to the transgendered, only if they comprise a large enough voting bloc will politicians listen.

[robertlouis]

Move over to the UK, Yvonne. Both the people in general and the political climate are very much more tolerant.

[TJ347]

With all due respect, you don't know people "in general" here in the US to even make a statement like that. Let's not start jumping to conclusions based on what we take away from people we've spoken to on a transsexual porn forum...

And Yvonne spoke about prostitution. Exactly how tolerant are politicians in the UK on that issue, Robert?

[onmyknees]

Move over to the UK, Yvonne. Both the people in general and the political climate are very much more tolerant.

Sure they are...unless you're Catholic and live in the North of Ireland!

[onmyknees]

And our next contestant TROLL #2 shows up to ruin a good discussion. Exactly what trolls do. They don't know how to discuss anything like adults. They just come in to spread their hate and ruin it for everyone else.

Awwww you poor trolls. It is killing you to be so wrong all the time, isn't it. So you have no choice but to spread hate and lies to get even. There the proof of you being a troll. You just keep proving me to be correct.

Are you really that foolish as to believe after all your hissy fits, troll referrences, and imature ramblings, that we're to believe you suddenly want to discuss issues as a mature sincere adult? The way you framed the question speaks for itself. Any one with a modicum of sophistication could see what you were attempting to do. Your post should be entered into the urban dictionary as the defination of a troll. If you're truly curious about what libertarians or conservatives think...ask them, but do so without all the obvious ajenda.

[TJ347]

Is he still claiming to be a mature voice of reason around these parts while simultaneously tossing about the word "troll" and trying to get a rise out of people who can't even view his posts anymore? Comical.

[onmyknees]

Is he still claiming to be a mature voice of reason around these parts while simultaneously tossing about the word "troll" and trying to get a rise out of people who can't even view his posts anymore? Comical.

He's been quiet for a few days now...perhaps he enrolled in an after school political science class !!