Who Is Actually "As Bad As Hitler" Or Worse?

[russtafa]

I don't think things are that simple or that straight forward

[Ineeda SM]

I don't think things are that simple or that straight forward

OK let me ask you 3 simple questions that will define this issue.

1. Which party in Australia is against abortion? Left or right?

2. Which party in Australia stands for the rich and big businesses. Left or right?

3. Which party in Australia would be against Gay, Lesbian, and Transgendered as a sin or mental illness? Left or right?

No lectures or long explanations. Just a straight forward answer of LEFT or RIGHT.

[russtafa]

1 both party's are split it's a matter of conscience .2 Liberals used to but it seems more like labour now.3 no party it's a matter of conscience but labour maybe a little bit more conservative catholic leaning.

[Ineeda SM]

1 both party's are split it's a matter of conscience .2 Liberals used to but it seems more like labour now.3 no party it's a matter of conscience but labour maybe a little bit more conservative catholic leaning.

See I don't know what any of that means. Which is the left and which is the right?

In America, the correct answer to all 3 questions is the right wing.

My party, the left wing is in favor of letting the woman decide about having an abortion or not. The right is against abortion completely and wants to make it illegal

My party, the left wing supports the poor and elderly. The right wing does not. The right is all for the rich and big business.

My party, the left wing welcomes openly all gay, lesbian and transgendered people of all races. The right wing thinks homosexuality is a sin and a mental illness. That is their open and public policy.

If you agree with any of the things I just said I and my left wingers are for, then our countries are the opposite with left and right.

In America, if you are poor, any race from any country, elderly, sick needing hospitalization, or gay in any way my party, the left wing democrats are the people you want to support.

In America, if you are very rich, head of a very big business like a drug company, oil company, big bank corporation, and just as white as the driven snow, then you should support the right wing republicans.

[russtafa]

our main stream party's are so similar they look for things to try and disagree about.But labour has an alliance with the greens that's why we have this proposed carbon tax which people are so against

[Ineeda SM]

our main stream party's are so similar they look for things to try and disagree about.But labour has an alliance with the greens that's why we have this proposed carbon tax which people are so against

I wish our political parties were like that. But the republican party has changed over the years. I remember when they were respectable. They and the democrats always rivaled each other, but they understood when it was time to compromise and they got shit done for us. Ever since Reagan took office, the GOP changed big for the worse. They faked religion to get the christian vote, and use a lot of lies and propaganda to get the weak minded idiots to follow them like programmed robots. That is our right wing.

You still haven't told me which party is considered the left and which is the right wing.

[traLika]

I'd say Robert Mugabe and Bin Laden are both as bad as Hitler.

On a lighter note, here are some cats that look like 'Der Führer'...

http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.co...n/seigmiaow.pl

[TJ347]

I don't think things are that simple or that straight forward

Indeed they aren't, but then you're actually using your brain, something that others don't necessarily feel the need to engage obviously, judging by the idiotic things they say and the recitation of the latest talking points. This actually makes it easier to understand why people in some parts of the world don't seem to want democracy, given that our Democratic system here in the US has led to a bumper crop of fools among the current population, the evidence of which is painfully clear.

[Stavros]

Someone wrote a book a few years ago called "Hitler's Willing Executioners' which took stab at explaining the roots of anti-semitism .But that doesn't explain how the serbs, the cambodians, the turks etc etc can be mobilised to mass murder.

'Hitler's Willing Executioners' was written by Daniel Goldhagen and was controversial because it argued emphatically that anti-semitism had so saturated German society and culture that the inevitable happened once Hitler had taken power, hardly a new thesis as its part of a 'determinist' slant in Jewish history which sees the Holocaust as 'merely' one more example of violent anti-semitism, albeit one of the worst. JP Stern wrote a stinging critique at the time, and what Goldhagen never showed an interest in was the resistance to the Nazi's which scholarship is uncovering as a deeper phenomenon than first thought.

Detlev Peukert in his book 'Inside the Third Reich' also wanted to find out how 'ordinary Germans' -ie those not in the Nazi party, the state bureaucracy or the military- lived with National Socialism, and discovered that it was quite hard to decide what proportion were true believers, and what proportion, living in a police state where neighbours -even family members- could inform on you to the Gestapo were even free to express their true feelings. Thus, a proportion of the crowds lining the streets to salute the Fuhrer felt obliged to be there or face a different kind of music. Peukert developed a theory of 'inner space' or interioriation where people retreat from the harsh reality of the present into a private world where they can be themselves. A form of 'silent resistance'.

In a remarkable book, 'The Past in Hiding', Mark Roseman tells the story of a Jew from the Ruhr (he met her in Liverpool where she had lived as a refugee since the end of the war) who was saved from extinction by an undeground network of Protestants who rescued Jews and other minorities and moved them from one safe-house to another throughout the war, at obvious risk to all, another example of the fact that not all Germans hated Jews, indeed the reverse.

In the late 90s I met an Iraqi in Geneva who turned out to be a General who was applying for political asylum. WHen I asked him how Saddam stayed in power, he replied, with one word 'fear'. He said that quite apart from the regular round-ups of political dissidents, once a month he would, at random arrest a shopkeeper, a doctor, a dentist, a bus driver -someone known to their local community- and they would disappear, sometimes never to be seen again. As with the USSR, Nazi Germany and China, so too in Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, or North Korea today, Hirschmann's Exit Voice, and Loyalty goes only so far: if you dont like it then leave; if you feel passionate about it, use your voice to complain, or stay loyal because its what you like or think you can change from the inside: But autocratic regimes for people who cannot leave offer only the one choice: loyalty, and I wonder what happens to people who live for years without any kind of choice. Perhaps like the East Germans they emerge stunned into a world they don't recognise, almost incapable of taking in what seems to be a fantasy world of beautiful clothes, good food, and so on.

Sometimes I wonder if we realise how lucky we are to live where we live, even with the critical issues facing us.

[Prospero]

Fear indeed - but does fear fully explain the willingness of ordinary young men to torture and kill huge numbers of ordinary people - men, women and children? The cases of resistance to Hitler and to other dictators do, indeed, demonstrate that there are always those brave enough - or moral enough - to resist the monsters who seize power. There are plenty of other histories that illustrate how pervasive anti-Jewish prejudices have been throughout history as much as Goldhagens. (Anthony Julias's recent book springs to mind)