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    Taking sides in the NFL lockout

    Far from a matter of "billionaires" vs. "millionaires," the NFL labor dispute is about the owners demanding more from players who already destroy their bodies for the game.


    March 7, 2011
    Columnist: Dave Zirin


    AS AN NFL lockout and the possible cancellation of the 2011 season haunts the sports faithful across the country, reporters sought the opinion of a certain Chicago Bears fan living in Washington, D.C.: Barack Obama.

    As someone who has watched the president spend three years appearing annoyed over the concerns of organized labor, I wasn't surprised by his comments. But I was still upset. Obama said:
    You've got owners, most of whom are worth close to a billion dollars. You've got players who are making millions of dollars...When people are working to cut back, compromise and worry about making the mortgage and paying for their kids' college education, the two parties should be able to work it out without the president of the United States intervening.
    The news flash for reporters was that "Obama will not be intervening." But for me, the part that made my eyes narrow was Obama's repetition from the bully pulpit that all the problems in the NFL are about "billionaires vs. millionaires." He might as well have said, "a pox on both their houses."
    There are so many reasons why this is wrong and even more reasons why fans, labor activists and progressives should stand proudly with the players.
    First of all, it's a lockout, not a strike. The NFL Players Association has said repeatedly that they will play under the existing contract until a new agreement is reached. Amazingly, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell says that this proves there needs to be a lockout. Goodell wrote: "The union has repeatedly said that it hasn't asked for anything more and literally wants to continue playing under the existing agreement. That clearly indicates the deal has moved too far in favor of one side."
    Keep in mind, this is a league coming off its most successful season in history. But for the owners it's not enough. They want massive wage cuts and an extension of the season to 18 games. If they don't get it and if there is no extension, they will be locking the doors.
    A March lockout might mean little to fans, but for players it constitutes a threat to their very health. An off-season lockout means that they will have no access to team trainers, doctors or physical therapists. Remember, this is a league with a 100 percent injury rate.
    A March lockout also means that health care for players and their families is officially cut off. One player's wife had her pregnancy induced last week so it would be covered by the NFL's health plan.
    Second, only one side is negotiating in good faith. The NFL owners claim a dip in profits, despite the league's leviathan-sized success, but refuse to open their books and prove it. It boggles the mind. Imagine sharing revenue with someone in any business and your partner doesn't let you see how much you are actually making.
    In addition, Federal judge backs NFLPA in dispute over TV money - ESPN that the NFL owners were not acting in good faith when they struck a deal with the television networks guaranteeing them $4 billion in event of a lockout. Doty even said that the NFL had left network money on the table in return for this lockout slush fund.
    You have owners crying poor, yet they happily forgo money in return for a lockout war chest. Clearly, they went to the same top business school as Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker.
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    LASTLY, CALLING this "billionaires vs. millionaires" is a ridiculous act of moral equivalency where none exists.
    Here's the reality. You have 31 of the richest people in the United States--people with generational wealth, people whose children's children will make Tucker Carlson look like Big Bill Haywood--going against a workforce with careers that last just 3.4 years on average. It's a workforce that draws almost exclusively from poorer socio-economic backgrounds. It's a workforce that will die more than 20 years earlier than the typical American male.
    And last I checked, no one except the seriously maladjusted go to games to eyeball the owner's box, no matter what megalomaniacs like Jerry Jones think. The players are the game, but they are being treated like pieces of equipment.
    This is happening for one reason and one reason only. The owners want to show the players who is boss. But it won't just be the players who get hurt.
    As Drew Magary wrote on Deadspin.com--a Web site no one will confuse with TheNation.com:
    Make no mistake, if you don't get to watch football next fall, it will be because 31 rich a------ (and whatever cheese-and-sausage co-op owns the Packers) have decided that they aren't rich enough. Period. Think about that. Think of everything that will be impacted simply for the sake of these 31 people...
    By the time the fall rolls around, there could be massive layoffs across all teams: secretaries, equipment managers, trainers, everyone. People who are decidedly NOT wealthy and who stand to gain nothing from any of these talks...Regardless of how this s--- plays out, starting tonight, this is all 100 percent the owners' fault.
    Magary could have added that it will affect every stadium concession worker, every restaurant worker, every last person who, in these dyspeptic times, depends on the stadium to eke out a living.
    The NFL Players Association gets that they need solidarity from working people to win. That's why they have issued statements supporting everyone from the public sector workers in Wisconsin to the trade unionists of Egypt. They know what side they're on. I do too. The fact that Barack Obama doesn't see it that way only convinces me more that the players deserve our support.
    The historian Howard Zinn wrote famously, "You can't be neutral on a moving train." The train has left the station.



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    Default Re: Taking sides in the NFL lockout...

    I think it's a shame, but all sports are headed this way...


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    Default Re: Taking sides in the NFL lockout...

    To NFL and Players Union:
    I LIVE for football.
    The TV schedule that begins on Labor Day weekend til the January playoffs dictates much of the way I plan my leisure time. I think I'm speaking for many American males. (and some ladies too)

    If you fuck this up with your greedy pettiness you will lose a generation of fans. baseball never quite made up for the support they lost when they sat out a season



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    Default Re: Taking sides in the NFL lockout...

    Both sides feel cheated. Both sides make ridiculous amounts of money. I feel the argument that these men are destroying their bodies for the game is moot. You're salary is so high because you're expected to perform at a level that most people can't. These athletes make more money then our soldiers get overseas with hazard pay and they want more?



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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovetrees View Post
    Both sides feel cheated. Both sides make ridiculous amounts of money. I feel the argument that these men are destroying their bodies for the game is moot. You're salary is so high because you're expected to perform at a level that most people can't. These athletes make more money then our soldiers get overseas with hazard pay and they want more?
    The owners are worth a combined over 40 billion dollars. All the players combined (guaranteed money) don't come close to that kind of money.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Silcc69 View Post
    The owners are worth a combined over 40 billion dollars. All the players combined (guaranteed money) don't come close to that kind of money.
    I understand that but I don't see how that matters. Do you know how much the minimum salary was for an NFL player in 2010? 340k.

    The highest paying salary job in America belongs to surgeons who typically earn 219,770 as of 2010.

    I think a surgeon gets paid well for what he does considering he saves lives.

    A rookie in the NFL will get $100,000 more then someone who has to go through 8 years of college and a carry a considerable amount of debt.

    No right to complain in my opinion.



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    Default Re: Taking sides in the NFL lockout...

    the owners are locking out the players, the players are not going on strike.
    the owners can suck it!


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    Default Re: Taking sides in the NFL lockout...

    Quote Originally Posted by ilovetrees View Post
    I understand that but I don't see how that matters. Do you know how much the minimum salary was for an NFL player in 2010? 340k.

    The highest paying salary job in America belongs to surgeons who typically earn 219,770 as of 2010.

    I think a surgeon gets paid well for what he does considering he saves lives.

    A rookie in the NFL will get $100,000 more then someone who has to go through 8 years of college and a carry a considerable amount of debt.

    No right to complain in my opinion.
    We do live in a capitalist society don't we? And the average shelf life for an NFL player is 3 years compare that to a Surgeon who can that for what 30 years or so.


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    ha ha...
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    Default Re: Taking sides in the NFL lockout...

    The whole situation is just a shame......c'mon guys, get something done already!



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