Libya

**onmyknees** · 03-24-2011

I don't hate progressives, I simply think they're misinformed to the point of being dangerous. I put them into several categories...those that are misinformed, those that are hypocrites and those that are just damn liars. This jerk starts off in the second category, and quickly propels himself into being a damn liar category. The lies begin at the 1:00 mark, but it's not uncommon...they all do it..Anthony Weiner...hypocrite, liar, war monger.

Now for the facts...A congressional Resolution authorizing the use of force for the Iraqi conflict which included affirmative votes by...Harry Reid, Joe Biden, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton John Edwards,

It matters not your opinion on the wisdom of the conflict. Opinions are subjectctive, facts are not. Anthony Weiner...liar, hypocrite, and now military hawk !!

And a United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 which was unamious !!!!!

And despite Whiner's backhand slight about 4 Polish troops ...here's the countries involved

**Stavros** · 03-24-2011

Be Consistent—Invade Saudi Arabia
by Robert Scheer

A confused and useless article. Realism in politics has always meant that states will support a nasty dictator as long as there is a strategic advantage to it. The USA believes for many reasons it is stratgically advantageous to support Israel, it has also sold billions of weapons to Saudi Arabia.

Intervention directly in Saudi Arabia has always been a sensitive issue: it is true that in the First World War, when the Ottoman Empire sided with Germany this alliance failed to use their call to 'Jihad' to rouse Arabs and Muslims from the Mediterranean to India to rise up against the British; the latter made a point of not intervening in Arabia when Ibn Saud and his 'Muslim Brothers' left their kingdom in the Najd to invade the Hejaz on the western side of Arabia and overthrow the Hashemite monarchy-damaging much of Mecca in the process. Ironically, perhaps, after sending Ibn Saud a bag of gold every month for a year or so, the British fell out with him over his attempt to take over TransJordan, and so Ibn Saud took the yankee dollar instead, and the rest is history.

There are some things one just doest do, and invading SA is one of them. As it happens, non-Muslims have been to Mecca, the siege in Mecca in 1979 was broken on the advice of a French special forces officer, Captain Paul Barril -one version has it that he 'converted' to Islam before entering the city, but I have also seen a source which says the Grand Mufti of the time, ibn Baz issued a fatwa waiving the 'Muslims only' rule for as long as it took to lift the siege. Even when US troops were stationed in the north-west of Saudi Arabia in 1990 even moderate Saudi's I knew were outraged. Even if Saudi Arabia were to lose its Saud's, the oil would still be there, and the new government would need to sell it. Anyway, their biggest problem is the long term future of water, not oil, but thats another thread I think.

**Ben** · 03-26-2011

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**Cuchulain** · 03-27-2011

Originally Posted by onmyknees

You're funny. I don't think big oil is neither bad....nor good. I think they act in thier best self interest as any other industry. Shocking revelation for you.....but if you've ever been to K Street in DC, you know Big Oil is hardly the only industry with lobbyists !! Shocking...I know. How about Health Care Lobbyists? Barry's pretty cozy with those folks !

You want to make big oil irrelevent ??....advocat for a cogent energy policy cause windmills tilting in the wind in Iowa and electric cars ain't gettin' it !!!!!!!!!

And there it is, the CON philosophy in a nutshell. You think it's perfectly ok for Industries to work in their own self interest, even when that self interest directly opposes the Public Interest. Cheaper to hire an army of lawyers than fix a problem? Okie-dokie. Better for the bottom line to crush worker's rights, pollute the environment and spread propaganda? Sure, why not. When will you figure out that Big Oil, etc, doesn't give any more of a shit about you and your family than it does about me? The ONLY thing they'll do for you is put a little more money in your pocket when the stock you own goes up. Apparently, you think that's a fair trade for stomping the long term health of people and the planet. That's the difference between hardcore CONs and the rest of us.

K Street, C Street, they're all scumbags. Are you really gonna imply that I agree with everything Barry O does? I've told you before, the best thing I can say about him is that he's better than the alternative. The reason we don't have a real energy policy that benefits The People is because Big Energy has bought all the CON legislators to block anything that they think will interfere with their profits.

Oh, and I'll say it again : The Koch boys remind me of mega-corp 'Engulf and Devour' from Mel Brook's 'Silent Movie', whose motto was 'our fingers are in everything'.

Hard to believe that even you would deny that Big Energy is funding the climate change deniers, but then, deny and spin is what the REICHwing is all about. Karl Rove would be proud of you. Here's a summary of the Greenpeace report:
'Koch Industries has become a financial kingpin of climate science denial and clean energy opposition. This private, out-of-sight corporation is now a partner to ExxonMobil, the American Petroleum Institute and other donors that support organizations and front-groups opposing progressive clean energy and climate policy. In fact, Koch has out-spent ExxonMobil in funding these groups in recent years. From 2005 to 2008, ExxonMobil spent $8.9 million while the Koch Industries-controlled foundations contributed $24.9 million in funding to organizations of the ‘climate denial machine’.
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/med...secretly-fund/

Selling your soul is a prerequisite for working at the Heritage Foundation. The ceremony is rumored to involve self-flagellation and the ritual sacrifice of bunnies in front of a statue of JP Morgan...

**onmyknees** · 03-28-2011

Originally Posted by Cuchulain

And there it is, the CON philosophy in a nutshell. You think it's perfectly ok for Industries to work in their own self interest, even when that self interest directly opposes the Public Interest. Cheaper to hire an army of lawyers than fix a problem? Okie-dokie. Better for the bottom line to crush worker's rights, pollute the environment and spread propaganda? Sure, why not. When will you figure out that Big Oil, etc, doesn't give any more of a shit about you and your family than it does about me? The ONLY thing they'll do for you is put a little more money in your pocket when the stock you own goes up. Apparently, you think that's a fair trade for stomping the long term health of people and the planet. That's the difference between hardcore CONs and the rest of us.

K Street, C Street, they're all scumbags. Are you really gonna imply that I agree with everything Barry O does? I've told you before, the best thing I can say about him is that he's better than the alternative. The reason we don't have a real energy policy that benefits The People is because Big Energy has bought all the CON legislators to block anything that they think will interfere with their profits.

Oh, and I'll say it again : The Koch boys remind me of mega-corp 'Engulf and Devour' from Mel Brook's 'Silent Movie', whose motto was 'our fingers are in everything'.

Hard to believe that even you would deny that Big Energy is funding the climate change deniers, but then, deny and spin is what the REICHwing is all about. Karl Rove would be proud of you. Here's a summary of the Greenpeace report:
'Koch Industries has become a financial kingpin of climate science denial and clean energy opposition. This private, out-of-sight corporation is now a partner to ExxonMobil, the American Petroleum Institute and other donors that support organizations and front-groups opposing progressive clean energy and climate policy. In fact, Koch has out-spent ExxonMobil in funding these groups in recent years. From 2005 to 2008, ExxonMobil spent $8.9 million while the Koch Industries-controlled foundations contributed $24.9 million in funding to organizations of the ‘climate denial machine’.
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/med...secretly-fund/

Selling your soul is a prerequisite for working at the Heritage Foundation. The ceremony is rumored to involve self-flagellation and the ritual sacrifice of bunnies in front of a statue of JP Morgan...

Wow.You progressives sure do like to create boggy men. Are we to blame the Koch boys too that the alternative ( green) energy industry has been a huge colossal bust ? With all those government give always from Barry's boys they still can't make it work. Solar Panels? Not here...check the Chinese. Ask T Boone Pickens. LMAO. Billions in subsidies and all we get is a new light bulb that you can't dispose of. You stay awake nights worrying about the Koch boys while Soros is plotting to manipulate the world currency.....AGAIN.

This whole Public Interest thing with corporations is also another red herring...Who decides what is in "The Public Interest" ? You and Trish ?? LMAO...With all due respect you couldn't operate a lemon aid stand with your anti business agenda. You'd pay the workers more than your net profits and would be in receivership in a month. You really in your heart believe a company exists to serve the workers. That's socialist my friend. They exist as publicly held companies to serve the stock holders. The beauty of that is you too can be a stock holder and get in the fun........but that's not what you want....you want some sort of government intervention so that you can control the results...rig the game.

I have to laugh at these idiots in Wisconsin screaming to tax the corporations more....sure...let's do that and have even more of them take their profits overseas. Look the problem with this administration and most of the people looking to take his place is they lack a fundamental understanding of business, monetary policy, The Federal Reserve and it's impact on the economy, and tax policy. You have the most anti business president in a generation. You must love this guy...yet do you love the results? Folks like you got your guy.....yet we see unemployment stuck at 10-12% Housing starts still at an all time low. Business capitol investment and expansion almost non existent. Energy and commodity prices creeping up, inflation trying to make a come back , a weak dollar, a ballooning trade deficit almost everywhere. These are the monetary policies and the results of someone with your political philosophy. Change? Change for the worse I'd say, and so would most Americans at this point.

And by the way....why would one have to sell his soul to work for the Heritage Foundation ? Would one have to do that to work at NPR?
You may not like the research results or the positions of Heritage, but they are one of the most respected think tanks in the country...notwithstanding your partisan misinformed opinion to the contrary. Don't like the results of thier research? Prove them wrong.

**onmyknees** · 03-28-2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...CdfOXvec#at=16

**Cuchulain** · 03-28-2011

Originally Posted by onmyknees

Wow.You progressives sure do like to create boggy men. Are we to blame the Koch boys too that the alternative ( green) energy industry has been a huge colossal bust ? With all those government give always from Barry's boys they still can't make it work. Solar Panels? Not here...check the Chinese. Ask T Boone Pickens. LMAO. Billions in subsidies and all we get is a new light bulb that you can't dispose of. You stay awake nights worrying about the Koch boys while Soros is plotting to manipulate the world currency.....AGAIN.

This whole Public Interest thing with corporations is also another red herring...Who decides what is in "The Public Interest" ? You and Trish ?? LMAO...With all due respect you couldn't operate a lemon aid stand with your anti business agenda. You'd pay the workers more than your net profits and would be in receivership in a month. You really in your heart believe a company exists to serve the workers. That's socialist my friend. They exist as publicly held companies to serve the stock holders. The beauty of that is you too can be a stock holder and get in the fun........but that's not what you want....you want some sort of government intervention so that you can control the results...rig the game.

I have to laugh at these idiots in Wisconsin screaming to tax the corporations more....sure...let's do that and have even more of them take their profits overseas. Look the problem with this administration and most of the people looking to take his place is they lack a fundamental understanding of business, monetary policy, The Federal Reserve and it's impact on the economy, and tax policy. You have the most anti business president in a generation. You must love this guy...yet do you love the results? Folks like you got your guy.....yet we see unemployment stuck at 10-12% Housing starts still at an all time low. Business capitol investment and expansion almost non existent. Energy and commodity prices creeping up, inflation trying to make a come back , a weak dollar, a ballooning trade deficit almost everywhere. These are the monetary policies and the results of someone with your political philosophy. Change? Change for the worse I'd say, and so would most Americans at this point.

And by the way....why would one have to sell his soul to work for the Heritage Foundation ? Would one have to do that to work at NPR?
You may not like the research results or the positions of Heritage, but they are one of the most respected think tanks in the country...notwithstanding your partisan misinformed opinion to the contrary. Don't like the results of thier research? Prove them wrong.

Wow, now there's a surprise. The venerable onmyknees tosses off a post comprised entirely of REICHwing talking points. Move away from the FOX, lad. What little humanity you have left is in dire jeopardy.

You don't even attempt to defend your beloved Kochers, but instead rail about the Left creating bogeymen while trotting out George Soros, a fellow Lonesome Roads Beck would have us believe is the devil incarnate.

Who decides what is in the Public Interest? Why, the PUBLIC, of course - better us than some corporate CEO with visions of golden parachutes dancing in his pointy little head while he's busy cooking the books and trying to decide how to hide his latest environmental crime. You think WE want to rig the game. You poor fool! The game is already rigged. Money = power = a kick in the teeth for democracy, every time.

Lol, I'm a socialist because I believe corporations owe some loyalty and gratitude to their workers and the communities they reside in. Seems you and the coal barons of the late 1800s and early 1900s have a lot in common. Not good company, lad.

Yeah, Barry O is REALLY anti-business. That's why he rolls over for corporate power at every opportunity. Even the tiny bit of fairness and equal treatment he's had the balls to push for are too much for you guys. Like your heroes, the Koch boys, you want ALL the cookies. All the dire results you bemoan are the result of 8 years of Bush/Cheney and unchecked CON greed, not two years of Obama. Of course, we'd be in better shape in Barry and the Dems had had the guts to stand up to the REICHwing bullies and not allowed the stimulus, healthcare and everything else to be watered down like whiskey in a backwoods after-hours saloon.

And finally, yes, the Heritage Foundation is respected...by FOXNOISE and the Grey Poupon crowd. Everyone else knows it's just another CON propaganda machine. You know it too, but you'd never admit it here. You're too busy playing the game and trying to score points against the left. Your posts sound like a 'fair and balanced' discussion between Karl Rove and Sean Hannity: "Oh Karl, you're so brilliant". "Oh Sean, you're so butch".

**Ben** · 04-03-2011

**Ben** · 04-03-2011

**JamesHunt** · 04-04-2011

Originally Posted by onmyknees

The instability in Northern Africa and the Middle East could send oil prices soaring and cause a world wide recession . What to do ??

Build more nuclear power stations.

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