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01-11-2011 #1
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Shooting Spree in Arizona
It’s been at least a day and a half now since Congress-woman Gabrielle Giffords was shot through the brain. She and seventeen other people were targeted by an apparently crazed gunman with a semi-automatic hand gun. She and the others were participating in a political event at a Tuscon box store. I waited to start this thread, because I thought that perhaps one or more of our conservative contributors would want to be first to express their regrets for the occurrence of this tragic event.
There has been a lot of discussion, not only in the media, but at kitchen tables, water coolers, bars and coffee houses about the “cause” of the shooting. The immediate cause is of course clear: the shooter, Jared Lee Loughner, arrived with a glock, aimed and squeezed the trigger. But why? Mr. Loughner was not of sound mind. He was expelled from the local community college for repeated disturbances. He was told he’d have to pass a psychiatric examination if he wished to re-enroll. He was a loner and all who met him say he is obviously disturbed. Yet Mr. Loughner didn’t need to pass a psychiatric examination to purchase a firearm. Was the shooting “caused” by Arizona’s famously lax firearms policy? Of course not. Laws don’t “cause” events to happen, they just provide the opportunity for events to happen.
Representative Giffords was “targeted” (shown as a bullseye in the cross-hairs of a rife-scope) by Sarah Palin on a map which, until the shooting, you could find it on Palin’s web-site. Why are Giffords and others in Palin’s cross-hairs? The Palin fan-base needs to know who the enemy is. Did Mr. Loughner see Palin’s map on her website or on the various news channels which periodically broadcast the map? Did Palin’s targeting of Giffords “cause” Loughner to deliberately kill and maim eighteen people in cold blood? Of course not. Palin didn’t pay him or engage him in any way. Palin had never intended (so we’re told) to instigate a political assassination. After all, if a Muslim cleric had exactly such a map with cross-hairs on his website and one of the targeted persons wound up being assassinated by a crazed fundamentalist, we wouldn’t hold the cleric in any way responsible....would we?
How about Sharron Angle suggesting Second Amendment Remedies are not beyond rational consideration? Was Loughner persuaded by Sharron Angle’s rhetoric to pursue a second amendment remedy for whatever political complaints troubled his sick mind? Of course not. Sharron Angle never meant for anyone (so we’re told) to attempt a political assassination.
No, ultimately the blame lies squarely on Mr. Loughner’s shoulders. Still one has the uneasy feeling that the verbal invocations of violence and the easy means Arizona provides to carry out violence conspired create the perfect storm of rage and lead.
Last edited by trish; 01-11-2011 at 01:30 AM.
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01-11-2011 #2
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As one of the "resident" conservatives, my heart and prayers goes out for Congress-woman Gifford and her family. I pray for her full recovery, and that of all those who were injured. To say this event was tragic falls so short, the poor little girl that was at the event to learn more about politics, (what a lesson),the Judge and 4 others who won't be coming home again.
Times like these we need to forget about blue and red, and be Americans. Think our President was responsible for that quote. I will not touch anything that politicizes this sad event. It's a tragedy, plain and simple.
Last edited by Faldur; 01-11-2011 at 03:02 AM.
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01-11-2011 #3
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There are firebrands on every side of an issue, and semantics are employed by both political parties on a regular basis. There is a lot of anger in this country right now, some of it being more cogent and coherent than others. With that said, I would chalk this up to an unstable/mentally ill individual more so than anything else.
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Yeah the guy was nutty, plain and simple. If it wasn't a gun it would have been a knife and if you outlawed knives he would just shank her with a spoon. Stupidity is incredibly creative.
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01-11-2011 #5
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the guy was from the extreme left
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If it wasn't a gun it would have been a knife and if you outlawed knives he would just shank her with a spoon.Stupidity is incredibly creative.
There are firebrands on every side of an issue, and semantics are employed by both political parties on a regular basis.
Last edited by trish; 01-11-2011 at 04:31 AM.
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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01-11-2011 #7
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Yea Trish, but it seems to be even more vitriolic (to steal the word from the headlines) than normal. There have been time periods in our history where people resorted more readily to the threat of, or actual violence in the course of political disagreement, most notably during Jackson's Presidency and then of course the civil war. There was also the black panther movement in many US cities for instance (certainly not a right wing cause lol).
There is reason for anger now, but unfortunately many people aren't well enough educated to know where to focus it or the history behind some of these debates. That makes for a situation where all this unfocused rage continues to build. I would agree though that the pundits and 24 hour news network cycles have not helped the situation.
I don't know how accurate that is. He cited The Communist Manifesto as one of his favorite books, but then again he also listed Mein Kampf. Many books like the Communist Manifesto are thought of as philosophical masterpieces for their contribution to the debate on human existence, regardless if one happens to agree with the work's conclusions or not. It seems to me that this young man probably subscribed to a mix of views which aren't well defined by labeling them either right or left wing. Regardless, he was obviously mentally ill and we'd all do well to stop trying to play hot potato with his political subscriptions.
Last edited by NYBURBS; 01-11-2011 at 06:57 AM.
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01-11-2011 #8
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America seem's to have taken the right to bare arms too far .It was a great concept but was taken to far
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