Wikileaks

[lisaparadise]

I don't know what for a fact? That the documents leaked were only intended to embarrass the US government or that they were only classified 'secret?' Sure I do - experts agree:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...iplomacy_N.htm
(I can't find the article that points to the secrecy level of the cables at the moment, but I did read that they were 'secret.')

Since when does he get to make what call? Which are dangerous and which aren't? When he obtained the documents and invoked the First Amendment. The party that has to determine whether or not it warrants a treason charge is the government, but that's not a given by any stretch of the imagination, and while this situation could probably sustain such a criminal charge, the political backlash from First Amendment supporters will likely get him at least a plea-down, and probably not from treason or espionage, but some lesser charge.

~BB~

not a change in hell do you really think the u s government gives a shit about the first ammendmend protesters?be real for gods sake he has zero bargaining power its time to get educated on what this prick had done

[BellaBellucci]

Wow Bella...Your "so what" attitude is frankly, with all due respect....irresponsible. I'm glad you're not my "deep throat" covert contact. You'd drop a dime on me in a heartbeat. Please read below...

"Gabriel Schoenfeld, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, in his 2010 book Necessary Secrets, presented his own challenge to newspapers and other media who choose to “publish and let others perish,” as he phrases it, or, as he quotes a newspaper editor, to publish “no matter the cost.” He discusses the case of the late Philip Agee, who as a former [COLOR=green! important][COLOR=green! important]CIA[/COLOR][/COLOR] officer published Inside the Company — CIA Diary (1975), which disclosed the names of numerous American and British intelligence officers — resulting in the deaths of several of them. Agee, consequently, spent the remainder of his days looking over his shoulders in Havana, where he arranged tourism packages for Americans seeking loopholes around American laws prohibiting Cuban travel. He was excoriated as a “traitor” by then-CIA Director George H.W. Bush.
In the case of the July 2010 WikiLeaks archive publication, MSNBC quoted the Times of London stating that “the leak of 90,000 U.S. intelligence documents has put hundreds of Afghan lives at risk because the [COLOR=green! important][COLOR=green! important]files[/COLOR][/COLOR] identify informants working with NATO forces,” and that in just two hours of searching the archive, reporters found the names, villages, and fathers’ names of dozens of Afghans credited with providing intelligence to U.S. forces. Assange originally denied that a release of informants’ names had occurred, but was contradicted repeatedly by the London Times findings. Military officials, including the highest ranking U.S. military officer, Admiral Mike Mullen, have also stated this would cause potential informants to be reluctant to volunteer intelligence because of a lack of trust."

First of all hon, I never said 'so what,' or even implied it. All I said is that the criminal act here falls on PFC Manning, not Assange, and that the First Amendment is essentially the entire basis of this country. Zealotry in the name of 'national security,' for some cables that essentially tell us a lot of what we already know doesn't void that.

If information released by the press doesn't create dangerous situations that outweigh the benefits of releasing said information in the interest of transparency, then it should be allowed. While your expert holds the opinion that in this case there was an overwhelming reason to stay secret, I disagree and so do many other experts. It all depends on whom you ask at this point. We may find out it's worse than we thought, but we may find that it's nothing at all. Only time will tell I guess.

Hopefully any criminal charges will be based on the actual consequences of the act and not trumped up to reflect the obvious political bias against diplomatic transparency.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

And what do you guys think of the sex crime charges against Assange in Sweden? Real or BS? I'm still undecided.

~BB~

[giovanni_hotel]

Bella, anyone who knowingly receives stolen classified documents and in turn chooses to publish them, is as guilty as the person responsible for the original theft.
If previously unknown Afghani assets were named in the document dump, as has been alleged, that alone IMO validates the argument that Manning and Assange have put American and Afghani lives in jeopardy in the middle of a 'hot war'.

Bella, I've come to the realization you are neither progressive or a conservative, socialist or capitalist, utopian or nihilist.

You, Bella, are an unapologetic, burn baby burn, ANARCHIST.
Anti-, anti-, anti-, etc.
Let the whole damn thing implode, build it anew and blow it up again.

Too bad there's very little future in it for the rest of us.

[BellaBellucci]

Bella, anyone who knowingly receives stolen classified documents and in turn chooses to publish them, is as guilty as the person responsible for the original theft.
If previously unknown Afghani assets were named in the document dump, as has been alleged, that alone IMO validates the argument that Manning and Assange have put American and Afghani lives in jeopardy in the middle of a 'hot war'.

Bella, I've come to the realization you are neither progressive or a conservative, socialist or capitalist, utopian or nihilist.

You, Bella, are an unapologetic, burn baby burn, ANARCHIST.
Anti-, anti-, anti-, etc.
Let the whole damn thing implode, build it anew and blow it up again.

Too bad there's very little future in it for the rest of us.

I'm not an anarchist. I'm a minarchist. I'm a Ron Paul supporter, a member of the Libertarian Party, and consider myself radical middle. But yes, I do think that a lot of the foundations of the social structures we've built over the years are crumbling. When a building gets too old to be occupied, it gets 'imploded' (to use your word) and replaced, so yeah, I'll admit that I don't mind breaking a few eggs in order to make an omelette, but that doesn't make me a total anarchist by any stretch of the imagination. I just don't put too much stock in the expression, 'well, that's the way it's always been done.' The status quo needs an infusion of fresh blood and/or a shakeup once in a while.

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

I'm not an anarchist. I'm a minarchist. I'm a Ron Paul supporter, a member of the Libertarian Party, and consider myself radical middle. But yes, I do think that a lot of the foundations of the social structures we've built over the years are crumbling. When a building gets too old to be occupied, it gets 'imploded' (to use your word) and replaced, so yeah, I'll admit that I don't mind breaking a few eggs in order to make an omelette, but that doesn't make me a total anarchist by any stretch of the imagination. I just don't put too much stock in the expression, 'well, that's the way it's always been done.' The status quo needs an infusion of fresh blood and/or a shakeup once in a while.

~BB~

in my opinion from what ive read in your post i think its a me against the world attitude i think your hard on the outside and soft on the inside i think you think that the world is full of one conspiracy after another and you trust nobody.i think your of german desent simply because your extremely stubborn i think your beautifull and smart and very very tough you like kariyoki shecock and my spelling lol but most of all i think your a pretty cool chick and somebody id be more then honored to call a friend.

[NYBURBS]

Bella, anyone who knowingly receives stolen classified documents and in turn chooses to publish them, is as guilty as the person responsible for the original theft.

Guilty of what? He is not subject to the laws of the United States (Assange), so then exactly whose laws did he break?

[lisaparadise]

Guilty of what? He is not subject to the laws of the United States (Assange), so then exactly whose laws did he break?

oh yes he is just because he doesnt live in the u s he still broke there laws but i doubt you even know how to read

[BellaBellucci]

in my opinion from what ive read in your post i think its a me against the world attitude i think your hard on the outside and soft on the inside i think you think that the world is full of one conspiracy after another and you trust nobody.i think your of german desent simply because your extremely stubborn i think your beautifull and smart and very very tough you like kariyoki shecock and my spelling lol but most of all i think your a pretty cool chick and somebody id be more then honored to call a friend.

I'm Italian/Sicilian actually...

and I love your spelling.

~BB~

[lisaparadise]

I'm Italian/Sicilian actually...

and I love your spelling.

~BB~

come on ya gotta give me credit though lol seriously when im in l a we gotta hang out