Thoughts on Obama SO FAR?

[hippifried]

Well, I've always figured that if you have all the fringes pissed off, you're probably doing it right.

I think what really bothers me most about all this BS rhetoric is the resurection of Joe McCarthy.

[traLika]

He's an idiotic moron!

Wow - harsh words! If he is this, what was his predecessor??? lol

[giovanni_hotel]

My only regret is that I have but one vote to cast against this despicable character

Dont worry...........im sure ACORN will count you at least twice!!! Sad...

See, this is what happens when you watch too much Faux News. ACORN was guilty of having some of their workers illegally register voters, of which ACORN reported THEMSELVES.
They were not charged with assisting people to vote who weren't registered.

Subtle difference, and yet all the difference in the world.

'Despicable','back stabbing sellout','disgrace', etc..??
For all of you who decided to get 'interested' in politics because of BHO, please stay involved and informed when the re-thugs get back into office and hold them under the same microscope.

As for Kramer, turn on your brain and leave it there.
If Obama was a communist( the biggest joke about BHO's presidency there is), he wouldn't have all these corporate giveaways to the healthcare industry and Wall Street investment banks.

And trust me, knowing someone as a youth does not make you...THEM.
I've had plenty of life 'mentors' as a teen who've lived totally different life experiences than me, but their lives weren't ever mine.

A representative democracy by its very nature is 'socialist' in some sense, but that doesn't make it a totalitarian dictatorship.

The sheeple are still being led over the cliff by multi-millionaires like Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity who could give a shit if the country impodes.

Trust, is the daily gets reckless on the streets, those folks are LEAVING the country.

[tslvrnyc]

- Pulling resources out of Iraq and applying to Afghanistan..and now the real threat of Pakistan...basic intelligence demonstrated..unlike Bush of course. Average marks.

- He continues homeland security policies put into place by Bush such as wiretapping without due process. Low marks.

- I wish people would "Health care insurance reform" from true "Health care reform" because all we do is juggle money around on the former and don't mandate process with the latter to make health care more effective and reduce costs.

I had more hope for the man when he talked about standardizing medical records electronically. If you've been to the hospital a lot and have had to repeat your medical history ad nauseum to the umpteenth doctor in the same hospital but just a different shift you can easily see a base problem eroding the efficiency and increasing the cost of the medical industry overall.

Paper records these days are an anachronism yet that's what most hospitals still run on and they never talk to each other or trade information without an act of God.

The medical industry overall makes a profit by keeping people sick, in the system, and charging expensive appointments to further sell a tiny, portable, easily manufactured product called pills.

Watch the next time you are in the doctor's office around lunchtime and see the hot young babes the pharmas use to whore up their product and buy the doctors lunch (rolling over all normal appointments of the patients while they are at it) and you'll begin to understand what a big business and setup this really is.

I think the pharmas are now employing more pussy than Playboy, occasionally you see the hot young guy as well. They probably keep tabs on which way your doctor swings.

Overall, there is no accountability for failure and no followup on getting people out of the medical system since there is more money to be made keeping them in. These are real reforms we need, not fucking around with giving free health care to the homeless and illegal immigrants that already clog our ERs every night.

Obama is of average to high intelligence which makes him a thousand times better than Bush but we need more to get us out of the pit we're in. I enjoyed and believed in the pre-election rhetoric of comparing the medical care industry to the old meat packing industry pre-FDA but it's been all talk and no substance concerning reform so far. Having the United States community pay for the homeless and illegal immigrants to enter into this profit making system isn't going to help all the people who aren't getting cured now. I'm not saying that's wrong or undesirable it's just focusing on things that aren't the real problem.

Do you really think he's that much smarter than Bush? Both of them, intelligence-wise seem to be pretty average.

[giovanni_hotel]

Bush got into Exeter, Yale undegrad and Harvard Law simply because of his last name.
Not saying that Obama's race didn't play some small factor in his academic career, but for the most part what he accomplished was because of his work ethic and what God blessed him with between his ears.

If you want to see an example of the man's intelligence quotient, go take a look at Obama's healthcare summit in February attended by 36 congressman, half of whom believed they would effectively make BHO look like an ill-prepared, ignorant fool.

When it was over, the GOP decided NEVER to televise such a meeting again, because it made Obama look brilliant in comparison to his opponents who thought they could bombard him with more stats and info than he was prepared to refute.

Didn't happen.

[tslvrnyc]

Bush got into Exeter, Yale undegrad and Harvard Law simply because of his last name.
Not saying that Obama's race didn't play some small factor in his academic career, but for the most part what he accomplished was because of his work ethic and what God blessed him with between his ears.

If you want to see an example of the man's intelligence quotient, go take a look at Obama's healthcare summit in February attended by 36 congressman, half of whom believed they would effectively make BHO look like an ill-prepared, ignorant fool.

When it was over, the GOP decided NEVER to televise such a meeting again, because it made Obama look brilliant in comparison to his opponents who thought they could bombard him with more stats and info than he was prepared to refute.

Didn't happen.

Bush was a pilot and got grades in the 70s at Yale. BHO never released any of his grades so it's hard to get a real grip on his intelligence. Bush was an awful public speaker, but he didn't relay on teleprompters like BHO does. Both have intelligent parents, BHO's mother was clearly very smart just as GHWB was. I tend to believe that they're pretty similar in terms of intelligence (above average probably have IQs of 115-120) and that they're both not smart enough to be effective presidents.

[goku]

This whole thing is a joke.


The real meat of the damage was done during the Clinton admin. He is the one that signed NAFTA in 94 effectively allowing corps to relocate to Mexico and the like. His admin tweaked the Community Reinvestment Act in 95 allowing lower standards/qualifications for home buyers. He signed the WTO treaty with China, lowering tariffs, and allowing them to become the mega export giant they are today. Walmart does 30 billion in commerce annually with them alone. He is the guy whos admin passed the Glass-Steagall reform, allowing banks to swallow other banks, becoming to large to allow to fail. Clinton hired Franklin Raines to head up Fanny Mae/Freddie Mac.

Whoever told you guys that those were Republican doings is wrong. That shit happened in the 90's, and came to a boiling head in the last 5 years. Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi were at the forefront of the opposition against regulating the housing market.



There is Frank talking about no housing bubble in 05. There is plenty more out there. Educate yourselves.

Then when the market collapsed, these guys were all pretending like they weren't in opposition of a reform prior to the fallout. The point is the Dems were largely responsible for the crumble recently, and all the news outlets hated Bush so much, they swept all this info under the rug, and that's sad.

For me, I am worried where Obama is trying to take us. We seem to be speeding towards socialism, while most countries are heading the other direction. As a guy who dated a person from a socialist country, I can tell you that it isn't all it's cracked up to be, although they don't know any better, cause they have ALWAYS been like that.

For example, if you make 52k in germany, they are gonna take 42% of your income off the top for taxes. Then the sales tax there is 19% for items that are not considered food. Think about that for a moment, and think about the fact that you would be paying 24% taxes here, and only 7-8.5% sales tax depending where you live. All you get in return is health care, for your extra layout in cash. I don't know about you, but I could buy the best healthcare policy known to man for an extra 900 a month.

[goku]

By the way. I vote independent. I am not a Dem or Repub.

[tslvrnyc]

This whole thing is a joke.


The real meat of the damage was done during the Clinton admin. He is the one that signed NAFTA in 94 effectively allowing corps to relocate to Mexico and the like. His admin tweaked the Community Reinvestment Act in 95 allowing lower standards/qualifications for home buyers. He signed the WTO treaty with China, lowering tariffs, and allowing them to become the mega export giant they are today. Walmart does 30 billion in commerce annually with them alone. He is the guy whos admin passed the Glass-Steagall reform, allowing banks to swallow other banks, becoming to large to allow to fail. Clinton hired Franklin Raines to head up Fanny Mae/Freddie Mac.

Whoever told you guys that those were Republican doings is wrong. That shit happened in the 90's, and came to a boiling head in the last 5 years. Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi were at the forefront of the opposition against regulating the housing market.



There is Frank talking about no housing bubble in 05. There is plenty more out there. Educate yourselves.

Then when the market collapsed, these guys were all pretending like they weren't in opposition of a reform prior to the fallout. The point is the Dems were largely responsible for the crumble recently, and all the news outlets hated Bush so much, they swept all this info under the rug, and that's sad.

For me, I am worried where Obama is trying to take us. We seem to be speeding towards socialism, while most countries are heading the other direction. As a guy who dated a person from a socialist country, I can tell you that it isn't all it's cracked up to be, although they don't know any better, cause they have ALWAYS been like that.

For example, if you make 52k in germany, they are gonna take 42% of your income off the top for taxes. Then the sales tax there is 19% for items that are not considered food. Think about that for a moment, and think about the fact that you would be paying 24% taxes here, and only 7-8.5% sales tax depending where you live. All you get in return is health care, for your extra layout in cash. I don't know about you, but I could buy the best healthcare policy known to man for an extra 900 a month.

They're both complicit in our collapse. If you look at graphs showing the Reagan and Bush tax cuts you'll see that there's a corresponding reduction in federal revenue, thus an increase in the budget defecit. This means that we had to borrow in order to pay for all federal expenditures. Add a couple pointless wars, relaxed standards on mortgages, and Clinton decimating our manufacturing base and you get a complete collapse of the US economy, which we're seeing now. There will not be a recovery, ever.

[giovanni_hotel]

ALL modern presidents have used teleprompters, even the 'great communicator', Ronald Reagan. To say that Obama uses them more is just a bias against him.

IF you have a problem with teleprompters, I can't wait to see what you think of 'Mama Grizzly' who has to write talking point inside her palm to remember what she's going to say.

And BTW, being an effective President has more to do with judgement and wisdom that raw brain power.

In this regard, I can't ever give Dubya high marks.

And tell me, how many U.S. Presidents have released their academic undegrad transcripts???

As for BHO and his 'use of teleprompters', if you get a chance take a look at the 90 minute healthcare summit he held in B'more with those GOP congressman; Obama had not one note and did not read from a teleprompter and knew MORE about every aspect of the healthcare debate than all the republicans did.

Also, awful public speakers rarely become president. To think that someone who lacked one of the essential qualities needed for a politician, the ability to effectively communicate, was ever elected POTUS is still a mystery to me.
Stutters and people who butcher the English language don't usually make it to the Oval Office.

Imagine if Obama had 'grammar malfunctions' at the rate that Dubya did...??!!
He'd be impeached on general principle!lol