Mosque @ Ground Zero

[hippifried]

the enemy is a fifth column and they have already infultrated thru immigration

Yeah, those damn Irish.

[russtafa]

yes those Irish carpet kissers

[hippifried]

yes those Irish carpet kissers

Only when they kiss enough bottles.

[Rogers]

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/24/...osque-website/
http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/p.../Gaffney_Frank
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Fucking NeoCons!!!

[Rogers]

"THE WAR WHICH IS COMING
Is not the first one...
WHEN IT COMES TO MARCHING MANY DO NOT
KNOW
That their enemy is marching at their head.
The voice which gives them their orders
Is their enemy's voice and
The man who speaks of the enemy
Is the enemy himself."
- Bertolt Brecht
http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/from-...an-war-primer/

"On March 12, 2009, Gaffney appeared on MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews and accused Iraqi President Saddam Hussein of being involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the Oklahoma City bombing, "There is also circumstantial evidence, not proven by any means, but nonetheless some pretty compelling circumstantial evidence of Saddam Hussein's Iraq being involved with the people who perpetrated both the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center and even the Oklahoma City bombing."[22]"
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"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it..."
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/-if_...ng/345877.html
"All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked..."
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/natu...ar/339098.html

[yodajazz]

"THE WAR WHICH IS COMING
Is not the first one...
WHEN IT COMES TO MARCHING MANY DO NOT
KNOW
That their enemy is marching at their head.
The voice which gives them their orders
Is their enemy's voice and
The man who speaks of the enemy
Is the enemy himself."
- Bertolt Brecht
http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/from-...an-war-primer/

"On March 12, 2009, Gaffney appeared on MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews and accused Iraqi President Saddam Hussein of being involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the Oklahoma City bombing, "There is also circumstantial evidence, not proven by any means, but nonetheless some pretty compelling circumstantial evidence of Saddam Hussein's Iraq being involved with the people who perpetrated both the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center and even the Oklahoma City bombing."[22]"
Frank Gaffney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it..."
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/-if_...ng/345877.html
"All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked..."
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/natu...ar/339098.html

Great post! Wow this Gaffney is heavy duty. Upon reading the Wiki article, this jumped out at me;

: Project for the New American Century
Along with a number of figures who later assumed leading positions in the George W. Bush administration, Gaffney was one of 25 signatories[8] of the June 3, 1997 "Statement of Principles" from the Project for the New American Century,[9] an educational and political advocacy organization whose stated goal was "to promote American global leadership."[10]

One the conclusions of PNAC was that the US should attack Iraq, in order to expand it's global power. Mind you, this was in 1997, four years before 9/11. But I do wonder why there weren't more people pointing this out, during the 'buildup' of publicity to the attack on Iraq? They even took out a newpaper ad in the Washington Post in 1998, urging Clinton to attack Iraq, I have been told.

And your other part of the post, including the quote from Brecht, is so true. Fear gives the military industrial complex a blank check, to create billion dollar war toys. With all the talk about government spending, who out there is talking about looking at the military budget?

The public need to be educated about strategies in guerilla warfare. Making all Muslims the enemy, actually palys into the radicals hands. Its better to have an occaisional homegrown terrorist than 1/5 ot the world's population, be your enemy. Any sensible strategy would be to isolate your potential enemies. But too many people are profitting from keeping the public in ignorance and fear. And to be honest, it is the Republicans who are profitting the most.

[yodajazz]

So one more thing, relating directly back to the subject of this thread. The anti Muslim sentiment around "Ground Zero", plays directly into the hands of the stated enemy's recruitment. However, certain elements try to say, that treating Muslims with dignity, or giving them legal rights, is a sign of weakness. Political positioning, is often deceptive. A really good strategy is for the US to live up to it's own principles, of human rights, not keeping people locked up for years, without trials.

[hippifried]

Just to clarify:
Nobody's "giving" Muslims "legal rights". Rights aren't something that can be given or taken away. The US legally recognizes certain rights, & as long as someone's here, the same rights apply. We can't control the recognition processes of other nations, but if someone's here, & not in the employ of a foreign government, they're subject to the jurisdiction of the US & whatever State they happen to be in.

Under the Geneva Conventions, you can hold prisoners for the duration of the conflict without trial. The problem here is the lawyers were looking for loopholes, so nobody got POW status. If you're accusing someone of a crime, & have them in custody, you've assumed jurisdiction. Therefore all civil rights apply, or should. This current war has turned the law on its head. Everybody just makes it up as they go along & then bogs down the courts in minutiae, one point at a time. If the guys at Guantanamo had POW status, none of this nonsense would be necessary, & we could ship them all back home after July.

[Rogers]

"Pamela Geller is on a mission to save the free world and she's doing it, on this occasion, in a bikini as she writhes around in the sea.

"Here I am in my chador, my burka," in one of a string of video blogs campaigning against Islamic "world domination" shortly before kicking back in the waves."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...-islam-america
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/02/pam...ca-and-medina/

Look at her picture on the Wiki page about her.
"Pamela Geller with former IDF chief of staff,..."
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[Rogers]

One the conclusions of PNAC was that the US should attack Iraq, in order to expand it's global power. Mind you, this was in 1997, four years before 9/11. But I do wonder why there weren't more people pointing this out, during the 'buildup' of publicity to the attack on Iraq? They even took out a newpaper ad in the Washington Post in 1998, urging Clinton to attack Iraq, I have been told.

Oh, many were pointing it out, yoda. It was dismissed as a conspiracy theory. Don't listen to the American MSM!

From the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ma/3021001.stm


http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm