Climate change could mean the extinction of our species

[trish]

Really? It goes into politicians' pockets? If you're sure about that, then your beef isn't with liberalism: it's with corruption. Liberalism is about empowering laborers, putting money in the pockets of ordinary working folk and sharing the nation's natural resources with every day people, not just the corporations that only want to exploit them. Get yourself some real liberals.

[NaughtyJane]

The extinction of the human species, oh no. That's awful. Who'll be here to tear up and pollute the earth for the other species? We are such a NICE bunch we deserve to stay and fuck everything up even more... especially the way we breed like bacteria- as in logarithmic population growth, ahem, not asexual reproduction.

My point being if we want to hang out, we all gotta cool out.

[trish]

The extinction of the human species, oh no. That's awful. Who'll be here to tear up and pollute the earth for the other species? ...

Pigs will be next. Earth will become the Planet of the Pigs. No, wait...it already is. The pigs have everything.

[russtafa]

no our beef is with a socialist inept,and corrupt government that believes in global warming and shutting our power stations down ,taxing our steel refineries so that they go off shore to Asia,taxing our transport and leaving it's workers and middle class in the poo.The governments supporters are the inner city yuppies on high wages and rich university students while our conservatives support the workers and middle class and are against a carbon tax which will harm Australia and benefit our competition Asia which does not comply with our strict pollution laws

[Stavros]

Trish you need to understand that after the debacle in the 1970s when Gough Whitlam was ousted in a palace coup, the Australian Labour Party re-defined itself as a cuddly, Koala Bear party everyone could vote for -and under Bob Hawke most did -so successful that Hawke's model was studied by Mandelson and other 'thinkers' [sic] in the British Labour Party close to Anthony Seldom Blair. As in the UK, the end of the Cold War meant that sharp ideological differences on economic, social and foreign policy were blurred (I almost wrote Blaired); this is one reason why issues like Climate Change and Immigration have been so toxic in Australia -they don't really have much else to dispute, other than the perennials like the First Nations, drought, fire and floods. Russtafa's point is political -but economically, carbon taxes and other green initiatives would not make industry more or less expensive: the costs in Asia are that much lower if steel and other industries were to locate it would have nothing to do with Climate Change policy. Labour is as incoherent in Australian as it is here in the UK, I sometimes think they have latched on to Climate Change as a 'defining' policy difference with the Conservatives, not the best basis for policy. Whatever one's fundamental position, Julia Gillard comes across as a ruthless, humourless mistress-of-the-machine that is Australian Labour; a sort of down-under Gordon Brown. Basically most of the liberal-democracies are in a mess, they don't seem to have any new ideas in Australia either. And their so-called beer/lager is also just gas -albeit more drinkable than the stuff off the coast of Western Australia...

[Ben]

No a climate tax on carbon emissions which everyone has had a gutfull of and that's why[government] they are on their last legs

I always look at the upside of taxes. I mean, taxes are revenue that pay for schools, roads and bridges. And, too, we have to remember that tax dollars pay for the salaries of nurses, police officers, firefighters, doctors. I mean, we can cut taxes down to zero and privatize everything including the police force. I think that's a bad idea -- ha ha ha!
I don't think there's an elaborate conspiracy (as suggested by Alex Jones and others) with respect to global warming to bring in a carbon tax. Seems a lot of effort to go to to just bring in a simple tax.
I mean, I remember reading about the GST (goods and services tax) up in ol' Canada. Um, 93 percent -- that's ninety three -- of Canadians were opposed to it. Didn't matter. The government of the day just instituted it. There was no elaborate scheme, as it were.
So, if a government wants a so-called carbon tax, well, they'll just institute it. They aren't going to come up with some elaborate scheme that's been going on for four decades. (In the 70s at M.I.T. scientists there knew about the dangers posed by climate change due to greenhouse gas emissions.)

[NaughtyJane]

Hell with this, I'm gonna go fuck.

[trish]

Well, I'm clear ignorant of Austrian politics, but in one sense I guessed correctly: they have no real liberal party...just one with very Blairry vision. Thanks for the mini-lesson Stavros.

Jane, I think you've got the right idea. Fucking is a whole lot more fun

[hippifried]

Hell with this, I'm gonna go fuck.

Don't forget to pay your insertion tax.

[Stavros]

[QUOTE=trish;997902]Well, I'm clear ignorant of Austrian politics, but in one sense I guessed correctly: they have no real liberal party...just one with very Blairry vision. Thanks for the mini-lesson Stavros.

No problem, but I was referring to Australia. Have you been hitting the bottle again? russtafa can have that effect on people...