pics 2 months after having surgery

[4star4]

Hey Kimber, You are beautiful. Thanks!

[cheez]

I studied fine art and tattooing, and critiques are part of the growth process. I know full well how quickly a room full of fellow students and a teacher can coldly pick apart someone's hard work. But the difference is, it's constructive and not destructive.

Most girls aren't doing that. Most girls taking off their tops in a bar are performing, and not asking guys what they think. In that situation, guys speak with their wallets If you don't like a girl's performance, you either pay attention to another girl or you simply finish your drink and leave. Whether a boob job is good or bad is not really a topic of discussion in a bar, unless it's between guys. Generally, it's not face to face with the woman in question. However, on a forum like this, you actually can say what you think and someone might actually listen. But how you say it is everything. And usually, people here wear their motivations on their sleeves if you actually pay attention.

We do stay in touch with fans. But there is also a community here, believe it or not. A good amount of the time I spend here is not on the public forum. It's spent exchanging PMs. Anyway, why should a handful of twits ruin it for the guys who are being respectful and friendly, and who genuinely do appreciate being able to interact with the girls? A lot of the social interaction here helps many of these guys come to terms with their sexuality, and helps them feel less intimidated. But of course, there will always be the hopeless assholes who have agendas, and whose every post amounts to a one-sided diatribe. Some girls can't take that for a minute. Some can.

Actually, and I know most of you gentlemen do NOT want to hear this but, we ARE emotionally stronger than many of you. Many of you take for granted what we dealt with, and continue to deal with, to present you with the sex objects you see before you. And all we ask is that you show us some common courtesy and respect. Trust me. We are well aware of the fact that, for the most part we're 'casting pearls before swine'. We know there's an asshole in every crowd, unfortunately. But that's why we have bouncers in titty bars and mods on porn forums. The women here are not shocked. We're offended, but we'll live. We didn't get this far waiting for some loser to give us any green lights. We had to TAKE our womanhood. We've been around the block. Many of these losers have not. The people who really live in bubbles here are the guys like eze, not Kimber. That's why I lmao at these clowns. And personally I think we deserve a good laugh every now and then.

There's a huge difference between being amongst peers discussing something like their artwork and being a professional who has a measure of celebrity presenting their images and trying to entice people to join their website.
Kimber is presenting a product and consumers have opinions. yes, she's a person and yes she's not merely an entity for sale, but she is at least in part putting herself out there as a "for sale" product. And I guarantee you I can find any number of people discussing other entities like Angelina Jolie, Megan Fox, etc. in a similar fashion. Now because porn is closer to the fanbase, it can be a little too immediate a step for feedback and the commentary can be too close to the heart, but consumers do this sort of thing in every other venue, and since we allow it here, it may be impolite, but it's not out of bounds.
Also in my example, it wasn't a professional girl stripping on a stage, but rather a girl just standing up on a bar or table in a club and showing her off her body (it happens often enough in New York clubs where some drunk girl just whips off her top...). And the point there was if you go into a venue and ask for attention, you will get both positive and negative feedback (some of it fawning and some of it unkind) and it'll happen to genetic girls in situations and it'll happen to t-girls in situations.
But some of the stuff that's happened in this thread has just been more an attempt to censor than just concern for feelings. Reading some of the responses, I come away with the feeling that you can't express a negative viewpoint no matter how its phrased and then what's the point? Should every thread just be "Oh my God, you're an awesome Goddess and the hottest girl ever." That level of obsequiousness is so puerile (and plenty on here do exhibit it, which girls don't seem to mind) that if that's what ladies want, there should be an appreciation board for that sort of thread just so people can get their egos stroked.
The simple fact is some girls click on all cylinders for some guys and others don't.
I don't appreciate Kimber's new look and I have tried to express that as a fan I thought she looked her best at another point, but if you read that deeply enough you see that what I'm saying isn't all that different from someone else who says the plastic surgery has gone a bit too far.
I'm aware you girls are far more iron willed and mentally tough. You go through much more adversity and I wouldn't make it five minutes in your shoes. That's a given. I wouldn't dispute that for a second.
But having a hard road to travel is part of many people's lives and there's plenty who have it even harder than you. But we're not examining life, we're looking at dirty pictures and talking about fucking for the most part on here.
If you want a truthful exchange of thoughts and ideas on a board, you have to keep in mind that some people will express their thoughts in a different fashion than you do. Your moral barometer isn't every one else's moral barometer. We may not like the way some others have expressed themselves, but if we have a set of rules that we all have chosen to abide by and those rules are being followed, then there's no crime. You can choose to think someone's being an asshole and that's your right, but if Kimber came on and said "they're fans and they're allowed to think whatever they want" (which is a possible outcome) then your outrage is just your own. This is not an absolute, some are offended and some aren't.

[traLika]

But some of the stuff that's happened in this thread has just been more an attempt to censor than just concern for feelings. Reading some of the responses, I come away with the feeling that you can't express a negative viewpoint no matter how its phrased and then what's the point? Should every thread just be "Oh my God, you're an awesome Goddess and the hottest girl ever." That level of obsequiousness is so puerile (and plenty on here do exhibit it, which girls don't seem to mind) that if that's what ladies want, there should be an appreciation board for that sort of thread just so people can get their egos stroked.

I agree. Being unnecessarily rude like eze is unacceptable in my book but ordering people to say something nice or shut up is ridiculous.

[Nicole Dupre]

There's a huge difference between being amongst peers discussing something like their artwork and being a professional who has a measure of celebrity presenting their images and trying to entice people to join their website.
Kimber is presenting a product and consumers have opinions. yes, she's a person and yes she's not merely an entity for sale, but she is at least in part putting herself out there as a "for sale" product. And I guarantee you I can find any number of people discussing other entities like Angelina Jolie, Megan Fox, etc. in a similar fashion. Now because porn is closer to the fanbase, it can be a little too immediate a step for feedback and the commentary can be too close to the heart, but consumers do this sort of thing in every other venue, and since we allow it here, it may be impolite, but it's not out of bounds.
Also in my example, it wasn't a professional girl stripping on a stage, but rather a girl just standing up on a bar or table in a club and showing her off her body (it happens often enough in New York clubs where some drunk girl just whips off her top...). And the point there was if you go into a venue and ask for attention, you will get both positive and negative feedback (some of it fawning and some of it unkind) and it'll happen to genetic girls in situations and it'll happen to t-girls in situations.
But some of the stuff that's happened in this thread has just been more an attempt to censor than just concern for feelings. Reading some of the responses, I come away with the feeling that you can't express a negative viewpoint no matter how its phrased and then what's the point? Should every thread just be "Oh my God, you're an awesome Goddess and the hottest girl ever." That level of obsequiousness is so puerile (and plenty on here do exhibit it, which girls don't seem to mind) that if that's what ladies want, there should be an appreciation board for that sort of thread just so people can get their egos stroked.
The simple fact is some girls click on all cylinders for some guys and others don't.
I don't appreciate Kimber's new look and I have tried to express that as a fan I thought she looked her best at another point, but if you read that deeply enough you see that what I'm saying isn't all that different from someone else who says the plastic surgery has gone a bit too far.
I'm aware you girls are far more iron willed and mentally tough. You go through much more adversity and I wouldn't make it five minutes in your shoes. That's a given. I wouldn't dispute that for a second.
But having a hard road to travel is part of many people's lives and there's plenty who have it even harder than you. But we're not examining life, we're looking at dirty pictures and talking about fucking for the most part on here.
If you want a truthful exchange of thoughts and ideas on a board, you have to keep in mind that some people will express their thoughts in a different fashion than you do. Your moral barometer isn't every one else's moral barometer. We may not like the way some others have expressed themselves, but if we have a set of rules that we all have chosen to abide by and those rules are being followed, then there's no crime. You can choose to think someone's being an asshole and that's your right, but if Kimber came on and said "they're fans and they're allowed to think whatever they want" (which is a possible outcome) then your outrage is just your own. This is not an absolute, some are offended and some aren't.

We can talk in circles forever. But imo this is a classic case of faceless losers pissing on our backs and telling us it's raining. I was comparing constructive and destructive criticism, not peer groups. I was comparing voicing opinions and over the top cruelty, not consumer rights regarding masturbation material. I know you know the difference.

Anyway, you've already admitted to playing devil's advocate because you 'can'. Well that's just great. You support these losers in exercising their right to verbally beat up on someone. And I guess if someone farts next to me in public, I'll just chalk it up to what someone 'can' get away with. I hope you're all proud of yourselves, and your manhoods got their pathetic little boosts.

And when you sleep alone at night, and have to pay for porn and escorts because your personalities suck too much to actually find a real fuck buddy or GF, at least you'll know that your rights to act like pigs are safe and sound.

[LittleGuy]

We can talk in circles forever. But imo this is a classic case of faceless losers pissing on our backs and telling us it's raining. I was comparing constructive and destructive criticism, not peer groups. I was comparing voicing opinions and over the top cruelty, not consumer rights regarding masturbation material. I know you know the difference.

Anyway, you've already admitted to playing devil's advocate because you 'can'. Well that's just great. You support these losers in exercising their right to verbally beat up on someone. And I guess if someone farts next to me in public, I'll just chalk it up to what someone 'can' get away with. I hope you're all proud of yourselves, and your manhoods got their pathetic little boosts.

And when you sleep alone at night, and have to pay for porn and escorts because your personalities suck too much to actually find a real fuck buddy or GF, at least you'll know that your rights to act like pigs are safe and sound.

stop complaining

[sucka4chix]

Can't speak for anyone else, but I'll only laud praises from now on so I can get with the beautiful, classy babes!

[LittleGuy]

Can't speak for anyone else, but I'll only laud praises from now on so I can get with the beautiful, classy babes!

I hope you got alot of cash to go along with those praises.

[Nicole Dupre]

stop complaining

The grown ups are talking about porn and sex right now. But if you behave, we'll bring cake and ice-cream to the kids' table when you finish your veggies.

Run along now, Little Fella. lol

[Nicole Dupre]

I hope you got alot of cash to go along with those praises.

I think we get it now, ok? You're broke, bitter, and never get laid.

All we can suggest is that you open a lemonade stand, or perhaps rake leaves for the neighbors. lol

[cheez]

We can talk in circles forever. But imo this is a classic case of faceless losers pissing on our backs and telling us it's raining. I was comparing constructive and destructive criticism, not peer groups. I was comparing voicing opinions and over the top cruelty, not consumer rights regarding masturbation material. I know you know the difference.

Anyway, you've already admitted to playing devil's advocate because you 'can'. Well that's just great. You support these losers in exercising their right to verbally beat up on someone. And I guess if someone farts next to me in public, I'll just chalk it up to what someone 'can' get away with. I hope you're all proud of yourselves, and your manhoods got their pathetic little boosts.

And when you sleep alone at night, and have to pay for porn and escorts because your personalities suck too much to actually find a real fuck buddy or GF, at least you'll know that your rights to act like pigs are safe and sound.

You conveniently left out the point where I said I do it because other men's arguments are too simple and I'm trying to convey things a bit better so that you girls don't think we're all simple cro-magnons who don't think things out.
But it makes your point better if you leave all that out, I suppose...
And yes, somebody is allowed to fart next to you in public. It may smell for a minute and annoy you, but it's a natural bodily function and really doesn't cause any lasting harm.
I guess you don't fart??
And I'll assume you're speaking in general, because if you want to lump me in with people just because I defend their rights, well you know what, that's on you.
Get mad if you want. When I defend tranny rights or gay rights on some other board or vote for legislation of that nature even though it offends some red state tea party member's sensibilities, I know I am least consistent in defending rights even when it's not popular or someone else doesn't agree with me.
And knowing that does let me sleep wonderfully well at night...