Psychological Profiles of Closet Cases

[Nicole Dupre]

I think what makes the TS scene the most fucked up is all the secret lives you dudes live. It's often pretty entertaining, although sad, but then there are the really awkward and fucked up situations.

For any guy here who has never told anyone about their thing for trannys, how do you cope? And let me just say, I understand an adult's right to privacy. But I think that the TS sex world is also a very unresolved issue for many of you. It's not that you simply want privacy, but more like you're keeping secrets and feeling guilty. Personally, I think that's so sad. It must be quite a burden.

[tslvrnyc]

I think what makes the TS scene the most fucked up is all the secret lives you dudes live. It's often pretty entertaining, although sad, but then there are the really awkward and fucked up situations.

For any guy here who has never told anyone about their thing for trannys, how do you cope? And let me just say, I understand an adult's right to privacy. But I think that the TS sex world is also a very unresolved issue for many of you. It's not that you simply want privacy, but more like you're keeping secrets and feeling guilty. Personally, I think that's so sad. It must be quite a burden.

It deserves its own entry in the DSM-IV, Transphiliaphobia.

[franks]

I think what makes the TS scene the most fucked up is all the secret lives you dudes live. It's often pretty entertaining, although sad, but then there are the really awkward and fucked up situations.

For any guy here who has never told anyone about their thing for trannys, how do you cope? And let me just say, I understand an adult's right to privacy. But I think that the TS sex world is also a very unresolved issue for many of you. It's not that you simply want privacy, but more like you're keeping secrets and feeling guilty. Personally, I think that's so sad. It must be quite a burden.

Have you ever seen Chris Hansen's "To Catch A Predator"? The same should be done with males who sneak around with transsexuals, lol.

[Gthoma2a]

I find a few interesting dynamics. Society hasn't decided the guy vs girl dynamic as a whole, so liking a tranny becomes too complicated of a thing to label. It is subjective to who you are talking to if you are gay or not. I came to the conclusion a long time ago, I don't know what the fuck to call it, but I know what I like and am fine with it.

Second, a lot of t-girls don't realize that they create some of these weird and awkward situations by being a society filled with so many who work as escorts. This leaves the genre looking like (to general society that simply gives it a glance) gay boys who wanted to make money by dressing and acting like girls. This creates a perverse mentality towards them, ruining the whole scenario, taking away respect from the girls and leaving the girls with detriments that will never let them feel fully accepted (guys notice their most sensitive erogenous zone and they suddenly feel ashamed to be born). This leads to the next situation.

Guys have problems having to wear kid gloves when talking to ts girls because of the fact that they seem so ashamed to be there. Any sign of acceptance (not bottoming for them, but even rubbing them while fucking them) seems gay to them. This is due to the lingering effects of society not being sure how to classify them, so if someone likes them, is that person gay becomes an issue to them. This leads to guys who want to truly accept them as beautiful girls and want to please them in every way seeming unappealing and closet cases who try to act like their key method of pleasure doesn't exist seem somehow caring. This is the situation as I note it in a nutshell. This is why some guys have to walk on eggshells when talking to ts girls. You want them to know you see them as a girl in every way, but have the desire to get them off in every way and they turn it to "you aren't seeing me as me." It is madness, but I am attracted to them.

Why? I love the visible and more apparent signs of arousal. I think it is attractive as hell. If girls clits showed through their pants (like hard nipples) I would be satisfied with genetic girls, but I love the sight of a girl who I know is horny. That is a pleasant visual. I also love the visible cumming. There is no ambiguity regarding the orgasms and to a certain extent how powerful they were. It is there to see. I love the lack of hangups (in some). I have had biological girls who drove me fucking nuts with their bullshit. Things like "it feels so good when you lick my ass, but don't do it because it makes me feel dirty after." When trying to teach a girlfriend how to squirt (I love Cytheria for it... visible sign again) and despite her peeing three times directly prior, she swears she must just have to pee when she is about to cum. These types of things drive me crazy. I like ts girls for that and will continue to deal with whatever mess it brings because it is the most attractive option to me because of these things.

This is my survey of the landscape within the ts/guys who like them world. I can only speak for me and what I have observed (other than some who are just purely bottoms).

[Nicole Dupre]

Have you ever seen Chris Hansen's "To Catch A Predator"? The same should be done with males who sneak around with transsexuals, lol.

No! We don't need that. lol When you see an escort, discretion is part of the package. I mean the guys who call trannys up and say stupid shit like, "I want to drink your cum!", yet who go home and tell their sons 'not to act like faggots', because he secretly wants to yell at himself for being a 'faggot'. People can be very dishonest with themselves and it manifests itself in horrible ways at times. This is why when gay people come out, they are often given a big "yawn" as a response; they thought it was such a big deal, but they realize that most people don't care. That's also sad, but at least they get it over with and move forward.

Have you ever read or seen "Last Exit to Brooklyn"? That book really approached the subject in a brutal way. And it's the same kind of mindset that exists in men's prisons, when these guys return home after having lots of anal sex, yet they never deal with it emotionally. They try to block it out.

[franks]

No! We don't need that. lol When you see an escort, discretion is part of the package. I mean the guys who call trannys up and say stupid shit like, "I want to drink your cum!", yet who go home and tell their sons 'not to act like faggots', because he secretly wants to yell at himself for being a 'faggot'. People can be very dishonest with themselves and it manifests itself in horrible ways at times. This is why when gay people come out, they are often given a big "yawn" as a response; they thought it was such a big deal, but they realize that most people don't care. That's also sad, but at least they get it over with and move forward.

Have you ever read or seen "Last Exit to Brooklyn"? That book really approached the subject in a brutal way. And it's the same kind of mindset that exists in men's prisons, when these guys return home after having lots of anal sex, yet they never deal with it emotionally. They try to block it out.

Good point. No one makes a big deal about Elton John because he came out early on. But if it was kept secret for years and he was busted somewhere soliciting, it would be front page news.

[Nicole Dupre]

Good point. No one makes a big deal about Elton John because he came out early on. But if it was kept secret for years and he was busted somewhere soliciting, it would be front page news.

... especially if he was crusading against the LGBT community at large, like all of these hypocritical politicians and priests always do.

[franks]

... especially if he was crusading against the LGBT community at learge, like all of these hypocritical politicians and priests always do.

I watch the "lockup" prison series occasionally, and hear these guys talk about being in relationships with transsexuals as a coping mechanism; which could be true, but many just don't want to deal with it.

[almoststraight]

I'll offer myself on the chopping block here, and confess that I'm not totally open about it.

I have absolutely no hang ups about whether I'm "gay" or not, it just doesn't matter to me. I've told both my sons all their lives to like whoever they want to like, and date whoever they want to date, and fuck anyone who gives them a hard time about it. I have two women, a wife and a girlfriend, who are completely aware of each other (they are romantically involved with each other actually), and both of them are also aware that I also like ts girls, and they also aren't hung up about it.

But that's it -- no one else in my life knows about my sexuality, and I think maybe they shouldn't. Should my grand parents know that I like psychological power games in bed, or how well hung I am, or that I've messed with a guy to try it and I actually didn't mind it but it sort of wasn't my thing?

No, they don't need to know that, and they don't need to know I like girls who have penises either.

On the other hand, if a ts came along and became a serious part of my life, I wouldn't be a bitch and try to keep it a big secret, I'd follow her lead on what she wanted to reveal. Maybe that's the real line: I might not publicly own it as a kink, but I would be honest about a person who was actually an important part of my life.

So what do you think Nicole? Am I a chaser closet case, or do I get a pass?

[TSCURIOUS]

Nicole - Honestly - I'm secure, normal and well adjusted and trust me - I have no burden.
Why do you think any of us would?
I think you have many more "burdens" than all of us who love the girls-