Israeli troops armed with paintball guns

[Niccolo]

I must say you have brightened up my evening by trying to argue that Israeli troops landed on the boat in question and were attacked by people wielding pipes and knives (and wearing lifejackets and facemasks so that they wouldn't feel the impact of the expected paintballs btw) because they didn't want to hand over their mobile phones! That's great stuff! Do you think that perhaps one of the "peace activists" had a new iPad and the Israeli soldiers got wind of it? They are difficult to get hold of, after all. Your theory explains everything!

Well, maybe not ...

By the way, I've read that Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn support the organisation that sent those boats. If you wish to try to investigate the background of the different parties involved in this particular incident, then I wonder what your thoughts are on people who were involved with the Weathermen supporting those "peace activists". One can't help wondering what their motives might be here. You'll remember of course that the WUO stated, "The goal is the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism." Here's another gem, from the same group: "Our final goal is the destruction of imperialism, the siezure of power, and the creation of socialism."

Sometimes you really don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing ...

[trish]

We're now more than a week into this affair; do we yet know what was found on board?

[Niccolo]

An interesting video, which sheds some light on who was on board:

[hippifried]

So according to you the "peace activists" who assaulted the Israeli troops for political gain are terrorists. Well, okay then ...

Well actually, I didn't say anything even remotely resembling that. You can quote me all you like. I don't mind. Just don't lie. There isn't any "in other words".

In your lame & unsuccessful attempt to be snide, you apparently missed the point. In the most simplistic way I can synopsize so you can understand, the point is this: There's no good guys. There's no clean hands. There's no justification for any of the crap that's going on over there. As far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't miss a moment's sleep if that entire region went up in a big mushroom cloud. I don't give a rat's ass about anybody's ancient lore & religion, & I certainly don't give a fuck about some 5000 year old intra-family feud over a bowl of soup & who mom liked best. A pox on all their houses.

[notdrunk]

We're now more than a week into this affair; do we yet know what was found on board?

Legal aid (e.g., medicine) and "illegal" aid (e.g., concrete and body armor). The Israelis tried to send some of the legal aid using trucks to the Gaza strip; however, Hamas refused the aid.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/me...estinians.aid/
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Even before the incident happened, the Israelis offered the activists the chance to send the legal aid into Gaza Strip by trucks. However, they wanted to pull a stunt.

[Niccolo]

Ignore post.

[Rogers]

If you'd care to actually look at the original post, you'll see the Israeli guy holding something in his hand. What is it?

From the BBC:

UZI Submachine Gun

“Israel: Uzi and Mini-Uzi variants.[10] Mini-Uzi variant was used by the YAMAM elite unit and Shin Bet.[18][dead link]”
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It’s also a 9mm weapon. Duh!!! Google “9mm suppressed uzi” videos if you don’t believe me. Also google “Israeli uzi 9mm”.
“He added that all but one of the bullets retrieved from the bodies came from 9mm rounds.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/04/gaza-flotilla-activists-autopsy-results

"We were a bit surprised by the much heavier weapon, and it has considerable recoil unlike other paintball guns we've used. Also, the paintballs only leave red stains on our victims, instead of multiple colors", said one player.”
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i75879

And what do you think about Reuters doctoring those photos? Do you consider that to be "BS spin"?

A New York Post article. I’m impressed! Another Murdoch rag. You do know that photographers rarely, if ever, get a perfect shot that the publishers don’t have to mess around with, right? That article reminds me of the whole “climate-gate” rubbish where data was “fixed”. Just another case of people not knowing about what a profession actually does and seeing bias where there is none.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/apr/14/oxburgh-uea-cleared-malpractice
If you look at the part of the photo they published, Reuters have clearly focused in on the person/object in question. This is what publishers do, focus in on the main thing in the picture. A photographer simply can’t take perfect shots fast, understand? Even in the “undoctored“ ones I still only notice the knife because it‘s signposted. Talk about looking for “shadows on a grassy knoll“. Did the people on the flotilla ever deny that they had knives? Don’t think so. If you think that’s convincing evidence of anything, “paintball guy”, well I’m afraid there’s really no hope for you.

Now, I’ve answered your questions, you answer the one of mine you keep dodging!!! Does a person have the right to protect their property? YES OR NO???

(I see you now acknowledge that it wasn't piracy at all, but that it is a blockade. Interesting. And btw just for your own edification, providing a definition of a word doesn't make an argument either. I could provide you with a definition of a word of my choosing, as I interact with you here on this message board, but if I did, then would the word necessarily apply to you? Of course not. So your reasoning is pretty shaky there. Oh well, what can I expect. This is a porno board after all.)

Anti-semite, right? LOL. Water off a duck’s back to me now. That’s two words you clearly need to learn the meaning of now. Maybe you should try reading something a bit more high-brow than the NY Post to improve your grasp of the English language. Here’s a nice article for you to start you off with:
“Inflating the meaning of 'antisemitism' to include anything politically damaging to Israel is a double-edged sword. It may be handy for smiting your enemies, but the problem is that definitional inflation, like any inflation, cheapens the currency. The more things get to count as antisemitic, the less awful antisemitism is going to sound.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/neumann0604.html

And am I hell about it not being piracy. But since you want to get all legal, with the help of apartheid apologist Dershowitz I may add; and you seem to be as morally bankrupt as the apartheid state that you’re trying to defend, let’s look at actual Laws then, instead of Dershowitz’s mere “precedents”.
“By misstating the numbers by a factor of 100, he actually undermines his own argument, making the numerical mistake most likely a simple typo. "Obviously, the phrase '2,000 to 3,000 Arabs' refers either to a sub-phase [of the flight] or is a typographical error."[1]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dershowitz-Finkelstein_affair

Ooops, it was a genuine mistake. Honest! LOL.
　

All of Palestine is still occupied by Israel.
Oslo Accords
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The occupation is illegal under United Nations Security Council Resolution 242.
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The settlement of occupied land is illegal under the Fourth Geneva Convention.
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Everyone has a right to violently resist an occupation under Article 1(4) of Protocol 1 of the Geneva Conventions.
Protocol I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Collective punishment of civilians is illegal under the Fourth Geneva Convention too.
EU warns against 'collective punishment' in Gaza
http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-30214320071029
Netanyahu aide admits collective punishment of Gaza

Summary of Israel’s crimes against humanity by Professor Francis Boyle, Professor of International Law, University of Illinois.
http://www.ifamericaknew.com/cur_sit/boyle.html

So, exactly who’s position is “shaky“, Niccolo?

Finkelstein > Dershowitz.
'Israel is a Lunatic State' - Finkelstein on Gaza Flotilla Attack

‘Israel is a Terrorist State’ - Finkelstein International Law and War Crimes

[Rogers]

In 2007, Hamas did infact seize control over Gaza in a small civil war against Fatah. And, what peace are you talking about? Hamas only talked about a ceasefire.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1229777020070312

What is it that you don’t understand, notdrunk? It’s a gross oversimplification, that’s why it’s wrong. Understand? Palestine is occupied, therefore it’s people have every right to resist their occupation violently. Would American’s do anything differently? That is pretty much the same question as the right to defend your property that your friend “paintball gun guy” keeps dodging. And Hamas has every right to fight the illegal occupation, and for the political power it was democratically given. They’re also legally entitled to be in power in the West Bank too, but U.S. interference prevented that.

Mark "Liar" Regev tells the truth for once:

Finkelstein on the same thing:


And why would the multi-billionaire Zionists who own America’s media want a little sheepy like yourself finding out that Israel doesn’t really want peace, huh? For peace to happen you need both sides to agree on it. Israel simply doesn’t want to give up the land it occupies illegally. Far too many Israeli’s, and American's, have power and money because of it. I’ve already posted 2 articles by Professor Ira Chernus. Here’s more. If you think you’re going to be told about this by the mainstream media then you’re just plain wrong.

Hamas Getting on Board Peace Train
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/07/07
Israeli Leader Reveals Why Israeli Shuns Negotiation
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/23-3
How Israeli Intelligence Fabricated a Frequently-Repeated Myth to Justify Tel Aviv's Aggression
http://www.alternet.org/story/119488/how_israeli_intelligence_fabricated_a_frequently-repeated_myth_to_justify_tel_aviv%27s_aggression/
Carter was Right But Bush, Media Ignore Hamas' Overtures Towards Peace
http://www.alternet.org/story/83662/carter_was_right_but_bush%2C_media_ignore_hamas%27 _overtures_towards_peace/

Yay, another Korea situation...

You really are scared by bogeymen, aren’t you? BOTH Israeli’s and Palestinian’s claim they own the land according to “God”. That’s one of the points I was trying to make in my post on Thursday. It really is time to move beyond rhetorical bullshit. Ghandi never recognized Pakistan’s legitimate right to exist either.

The Israelis already admitted on the first day that they also carried handguns onto the boats for emergencies. Those activists were Darwin candidates. It wasn't the first time that the Israelis had boarded ships trying to break the blockade. None of them turned violent. I wonder why...

http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/cynthi...e-got-through/

Dodging the question about having the right to defend your property too, huh?

[Rogers]

I must say you have brightened up my evening by trying to argue that Israeli troops landed on the boat in question and were attacked by people wielding pipes and knives (and wearing lifejackets and facemasks so that they wouldn't feel the impact of the expected paintballs btw) because they didn't want to hand over their mobile phones! That's great stuff! Do you think that perhaps one of the "peace activists" had a new iPad and the Israeli soldiers got wind of it? They are difficult to get hold of, after all. Your theory explains everything!

Well, maybe not ...

Hey, it’s the “paintball gun guy” who reads the NY Post again!
http://www.paintball.co.il/faq/faq_en.asp

By all means, please keep digging a hole for yourself, because the truth usually comes out sooner or later…

By the way, I've read that Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn support the organisation that sent those boats. If you wish to try to investigate the background of the different parties involved in this particular incident, then I wonder what your thoughts are on people who were involved with the Weathermen supporting those "peace activists". One can't help wondering what their motives might be here. You'll remember of course that the WUO stated, "The goal is the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism." Here's another gem, from the same group: "Our final goal is the destruction of imperialism, the siezure of power, and the creation of socialism."

Sometimes you really don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing ...

Ah, here it comes. Nice rant. LOL. Just exactly how old are you? I didn’t know sheep born in the McCarthy era could still be alive today.

But the wind really is blowing only one way…

McChrystal Sees Progress, but 'Nobody Is Winning' Afghan War Yet
May 14, 2010
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/14/mcchrystal-sees-progress-winning-afghan-war/
We want troops out as soon as we can, says Cameron
June 11, 2010
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/afghanistan/article7147223.ece
Questions Surround Third U.S. War Theater: AFRICOM
May-18-2010
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may182010/african-tale-tk.php

Overexpansion and inflation is one of the main ways in which Empire’s decline and fall. Remind me, who owns America’s debt? And exactly how many more trillions is it going to take before the madness ends?

Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock…
http://costofwar.com/

[Rogers]