Amanda Knox. Guilty or not guilty?

[2009AD]

You know there is a lesson to be learnt here. When in Rome do as the romans do. When you go to a foreign country you have to accept their laws and justice system as well as the cultural nature of that country.Too often people from the UK and the US have been caught short concerning this.

A combination of drug fueled sex orgies,knives contacts with druggies from the Ivory coast, and being in a rather moralist traditional country and certainly a small town mentality part of that country is a recipe for disaster. Knox thought she could live her life in the same way she did in the states.Whether she is guilty or not ,she is guilty of arrogance and stupidity.

That town in Italy probably had never seen a girl like Knox, no doubt sexed up even more by the media. The Police no doubt did judge her for her lifestyle. Finding condoms and a sextoy ,being a woman will not endear you to female Italian Police officers. Couple that with her framing an innocent man and changing her stories several times,and grinning in court as well as her family taking smiling holiday photos at the murder scene leaving aside the suspect DNA I think it didn't bode well for her.

Not sure of her guilt but she is fucking stupid. And people should remember the real victim in this,not some dumb Yank slut but a British girl called meridith who was sexually assaulted and had her throat cut.

What the fuck are you babbling about? How's this for an idea: When in Rome, or wherever, DON'T MURDER. Knox could have done all the fucking, sucking and drugs she wanted to, it's when she took part in a murder that she crossed the line.

Oh yes, another individual with his arsehole where his mouth should be.

You really don't get it do you ,you dumb fuck. She tried to carry on her American existance in a foreign country ,which had a totally different legal system . If you want to do drugs, take part in sex romps with dodgy drug supplying african gentlemen . fuck about with knives while under the influence, writing silly rape fantasies on the net , don't come crying when it all goes pete tong, moaning about how 'inferior' Italian justice is compared to the good ol US.Remember OJ?

She's a fucking idiot, and you have just outed yourself as one too.

Thanks for the laugh you clown.

" She tried to carry on her American existance in a foreign country ,which had a totally different legal system.

What part of her "American existence" or any normal American person's existence includes MURDER? Hey shit for brains, the drugs did not get her in trouble, the sex did not get her in trouble, MURDERING her roommate got her in trouble.

[Coroner]

She took part in a quite sadistic murder and is guilty.

[Thatiger23]

the girl was found guilty yet theres no physical evidence to proove it as well as the dna did NOT match...this just shows how corrupt the judicial system is SMDH.......

[waldo pepper]

the girl was found guilty yet theres no physical evidence to proove it as well as the dna did NOT match...this just shows how corrupt the judicial system is SMDH.......

Finally somebody who actually followed the case speaks up. To the rest of you so anxious to convict her, yes she's a fucking idiot and naive as fuck. But the prosecution concocted this bizarre sex fantasy story without any proof of her involvement. The British press, who of course is always known for its probity, picked up the theme and ran with it. All without anything to place her in the room where the murder occurred. The prosecutor also entered this case coming off a list of high profile cases with failures to convict so his motivation was very suspect and he was desperate for a professional success.

Personally I think she's a proxy for the justified hatred towards the US the Bushies engendered. This crime was committed during Bush's time. She was nearby and demonstrated that she was a clueless American. For this she got to be the poster girl for American excess in a world fed up with it. The world outside the US and a large chunk of Americans hated Bush/Cheney policies but especially in Italy there is a frustration with the arrogrance. USAF hijinx of flying low under ski lifts in the Italian Alps killed two citizens and the pilots were not punished. A month or so ago Italy convicted 26 CIA op's in absentia for their roles in snatching suspected terrorists on Italian soil without Italian consent. I'm sure there are more instances, too.

Justice should be about the case. Whether or not someone is a fucking idiot or the leader of their country is a douche nozzle is beside the point. She will be freed on appeal when more rational heads review the case.

[arnie666]

the girl was found guilty yet theres no physical evidence to proove it as well as the dna did NOT match...this just shows how corrupt the judicial system is SMDH.......

Finally somebody who actually followed the case speaks up. To the rest of you so anxious to convict her, yes she's a fucking idiot and naive as fuck. But the prosecution concocted this bizarre sex fantasy story without any proof of her involvement. The British press, who of course is always known for its probity, picked up the theme and ran with it. All without anything to place her in the room where the murder occurred. The prosecutor also entered this case coming off a list of high profile cases with failures to convict so his motivation was very suspect and he was desperate for a professional success.

Personally I think she's a proxy for the justified hatred towards the US the Bushies engendered. This crime was committed during Bush's time. She was nearby and demonstrated that she was a clueless American. For this she got to be the poster girl for American excess in a world fed up with it. The world outside the US and a large chunk of Americans hated Bush/Cheney policies but especially in Italy there is a frustration with the arrogrance. USAF hijinx of flying low under ski lifts in the Italian Alps killed two citizens and the pilots were not punished. A month or so ago Italy convicted 26 CIA op's in absentia for their roles in snatching suspected terrorists on Italian soil without Italian consent. I'm sure there are more instances, too.

Justice should be about the case. Whether or not someone is a fucking idiot or the leader of their country is a douche nozzle is beside the point. She will be freed on appeal when more rational heads review the case.

What you mean is, someone who followed the case on CNN speaks up. Which is of course the model of impartiality and isn't turning Amanda Knox as the main player in Midnight Express 2 (the Italian nightmare) .

Aw everything hates americans, which of course makes a white all american girl innocent. Obviously Italy isn't Alabama, where you can pin it on some 'nigger' and send him to be juiced up. Knox tried her best though... twice.CNN was even referring to the Black who was sent down along with knox as 'African American' ... excellent reporting that.

Italy isn't Somalia. It is a member of the European Union and a signitory of the European court of human rights.

I doubt she will be freed on appeal but she won't do anything like 26 yrs. Unless of course, jack ryan and the Navy Seals are sent in, which seems to be the level of intelligence most Yanks are expressing at the moment over this. Her family were posing outside the house where the murder took place in hot pants for fucks sake. What a bunch of muppets.

And a correction on the British press, the British tabloid press ran with the sex theme, but to be honest the rest of the British press have been far more even handed, than either you lot (free the knox one) or the Italian press (burn the dirty satanic whore)

I can't be arsed to get into legal arguments at this time of night, and I do question the extent of knox's involvement.But two things kind of leap out at me.Innocent people, don't tend to change their stories several times, they tend to say the same one time after time under intense Police questioning, and innocent people don't pin it on another person who turns out to be completely uninvolved. People who do those things tend to have something to hide.

[Nowhere]

the girl was found guilty yet theres no physical evidence to proove it as well as the dna did NOT match...this just shows how corrupt the judicial system is SMDH.......

I've followed it strongly. Yes, that's the case. I don't think it's necessarily anti-americanism as it is their faux "innocent before being proven guilty." I love Italy, but essentially Amanda was having a good ol' time sexing it up in Italy while smoking a little pot here and there and the Judge did NOT like that. So, they made this trumped up "sex game gone wrong" fantasy with zero evidence that it happened. Even the manga comics they referred to were about vampires which don't just slit people's throats. So, then when it was so obviously ridiculous, they went along the argument akin to "... uh, uh, uh.... she harbored hatred to her straight-laced roommate and it went to a boiling point" mid-stream, showing they were doing whatever they could to peg it in on her. They wouldn't even let her bring in proper witnesses to show that the DNA had been poorly harvested and thereby contaminated, which shows that it wasn't about the facts. It was about a preconceived notion by the judge (and community, as well) lynching the naive girl and her boyfriend.

I don't think America has even their court system as good as it should but this thing wouldn't even be brought TO court here, given the lack of evidence. And, that lack of evidence didn't change through the trial. Guilty or not (and I don't see anything even closely supporting such an argument that she did it, btw), there is NOT remotely enough evidence to convict her. It's a travesty and I feel sorry for her as well as the murdered lady. I do hope one day they find the actual murderer and clear this all up, but given how arrogant the judge is, it would be a shock he'd apologize, even after she'd spend her entire adulthood in jail...

[Azanti]

Sorry Waldo, and others, but I do not agree at all.

Some of the evidence was flimsy yes, which seems to be the basis of a great many people screaming out in here defence.

I don't look into anything half heartedly. I have been following this case very carefully and without prejeduice, attaining information from as many solid sources as possible, channel 4 also made an excellent documentary on this case which expressed also the doubts that you have about some of the evidence, and I always totally ignored all this Foxy Knoxy bollox and just concentrated on the facts and her statements.
I think the girl is guilty and just dismissing what she did in terms of trying initially to frame a totally innocent man for the crime as some have stated here was utterly disgusting, at the end of the day, if he had not have had a solid albi for his wareabouts, he would have been in deep shit. She also lied about her location and story, not once but three times, and subsequently only after learning of her appearance on cctv which blew her alibi. I don't think anyone intended to kill anyone that night, but I also do not think Guede acted alone. Sorry dude, we have to disagree on this one.
The fact is that killers are not always people from broken homes but they can come from very decent backgrounds, just as not all junkies are from underprivledged families, quite the opposite in fact. The media over here was pretty decent until the verdict (A couple of tabloids aside) and did not reach the normal levels of hysteria associated with the British press until after the verdict, in fact on the contary, some of them were critical of the Italian Justice system. I hope Merediths family get some peace of mind from the verdict, they are the ones living the biggest sentance of all.

I think you also need to consider that Knox's own eventual albi, that she was with her boyfriend, in his apartment at the time of the murder and that she never left it that night has been proven to be false beyond any reasonable certainty, she is seen leaving it with him and returning at times which fit with the murder and not her story, so it is actually impossible for her to have been there (At her boyfriends flat) when she claims to have been.
The facts that I have refererred to didn't come from snitches, but much of it is from Knox's own defence team. First of all she wasn't there at the scene, then she was there, but had too much weed and couldn't remember what happened because she was confused and stoned (Really?, Come on man, get real) then the bar owner was there and had a fight with Meredith, then he wasn't there, then Geude was there instead, but they weren't - but we know they were, not just from the dna but from CCTV, we also know they weren't where they said they were. Also you forget that people from the Sollecito family, among others, put the Police onto Geude, how would they know he was even there, if they weren't themselves?
Sorry, but I just don't believe it. And if she was so innocent, why didn't they, her own defence team, put Geude on the stand?? They could have done so, under law, after all, he was already convicted. I agree that there is much other evidence which is flimsy, but there are several things which are certain and one of those things is that Knox constantly lied and every story she has changed to, has been proven also to be a lie. I firmly believe she was complicite in the death of Meredith. Sorry man, don't hate me for it.

I am sure the USA media has gone into mass hysteria over this, but I have stuck to the facts, there is some ambiguity over much of the evidence, but Knox was her own worst enemy. She can't keep claiming she was scared everytime she changed her story and chaging it again when she realised the facts didnt fit.

Also I'm not defending the Italian Justice System, I also believe there is probably an equal amount of pressure for the Italians to have given a verdict oppositte to the one that came about, and you would have had an equally big outcry over there if the result had been reversed and I wonder how many people here would then be thinking, they got away with it. I don't think we will ever truly know what went on that night, but I am convinced that Knox and her boyfriend were part of it. She would not have been the first person her age, from her background to have killed someone, and she will not be the last. Her family saw fit to hire their own PR company to protest her innocence, so the mainstream media have not been the only ones to manipulate the images here.

If it has been trial by television, then everyone has had a hand in it, everyone that is, except Merediths family, who have been more dignified about it, than I would have been.

[daltx_m]

you left out the "who gives a fuck" option.

[JamesHunt]

Personally I think she's a proxy for the justified hatred towards the US the Bushies engendered. This crime was committed during Bush's time. She was nearby and demonstrated that she was a clueless American. For this she got to be the poster girl for American excess in a world fed up with it. The world outside the US and a large chunk of Americans hated Bush/Cheney policies but especially in Italy there is a frustration with the arrogrance. USAF hijinx of flying low under ski lifts in the Italian Alps killed two citizens and the pilots were not punished. A month or so ago Italy convicted 26 CIA op's in absentia for their roles in snatching suspected terrorists on Italian soil without Italian consent. I'm sure there are more instances, too.

Get fucking real

Do you honestly believe that the jury quietly said amongst themslelves, 'hey, she's innocent, but because George Bush is a prick and some US pilots killed some Italian citizens on a ski slope, and got away with it, we're gonna charge her guilty'

Your comments are an insult to Italy

[JamesHunt]

you left out the "who gives a fuck" option.

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