Vatican Cardinal on Gays and Transsexuals: 'No Heaven...'

[BeardedOne]

Vatican Cardinal on Gays and Transsexuals: 'No Heaven for You!'

Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan, a Mexican cardinal who this year retired as the Vatican's chief spokesman on health care issues, including AIDS, has given a pointed interview to a Rome magazine in which he says that homosexuals and transgendered people will not go to heaven, and he cites Saint Paul by way of backup.

In the interview with the aptly named magazine Pontifex, Barragan begins by talking about abortion, saying that even the morning-after pill, as an abortifacient, is comparable to "an assassination." Each abortion, he says, "is a crime" and as such "merits punishment."

The interviewer then asks the cardinal how he views homosexuality and transgendered people. Here's my translation of his answers:

A: "Transsexuals and homosexuals will not enter into the Kingdom of God, and I do not say this, but Saint Paul does."

Q: But if a person is born homosexual?

A: "One is not born a homosexual. One becomes a homosexual. It is for various reasons, such as education, or for not developing one's own proper identity in adolescence; perhaps they are themselves not responsible, but acting against the dignity of the human body, certainly they will not enter Heaven. All that goes against nature and against the dignity of the human body offends God."

The cardinal adds:

"Homosexuality is therefore a sin, but this does not justify any form of discrimination. God alone has the right to judge...We on earth cannot condemn, and as human beings we all have the same rights."

Barragan's citation of the the Apostle refers to the first chapter of Saint Paul's Letter to the Romans, in which Paul praises the Christians there for their faith and castigates those who have rejected God. As Paul says, the "invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity" have been obvious since the dawn of creation, and anyone who does not see them is being willfully rebellious -- as is evidenced by their behavior:

"Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another," Paul writes. "Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity."

Also due for a divine comeuppance, Paul says, are those whose rejection of God leads them to be "filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite."

"They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents. They are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless."

Whether such folks are born that way or are later filled with insolence and heartlessness, neither Paul nor Barragan say.

Catholic leaders in Rome, and a few in the United States, have been wary of accepting scientific research showing that homosexuality could be biologically determined to a great degree. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says only that its "psychological genesis remains largely unexplained" and says homosexuality is "objectively disordered" and can never be approved. It calls on homosexuals to live chaste lives.

In a sign that the Vatican prefers to take a more nuanced approach to homosexuality, a papal spokesman told Reuters that Pontifex should not be considered an authority on Catholic thinking "on complex and delicate issues such as homosexuality."



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This from a man that wears a red dress and works in a community notorious for porking altar boys.

[praetor]

Gay goes to hell, and Pedophile goes to Vatican?

[2009AD]

This from a man that wears a red dress and works in a community notorious for porking altar boys.

I guess gays, lesbians and tgs who actually believe in heaven are in deep shit.

Heaven, God, unicorns, the Devil, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Loch Ness monster, Xenu, Moroni... Heavy superstition....

[BeardedOne]

Gay goes to hell, and Pedophile goes to Vatican?

Exactly. It's not who you blow, but who you know.

[Coroner]

What do you expect from a cleric? He follows the bible and the bible is homophobic, irrational and hateful. The belief in some deity is pure ignorance and completely against reason. Liberal Christians who criticize these clerics are still their apologists which is hypocritical imo.

[Jericho]

Who cares what they say?
Boy fucking bastards, the lot of 'em!

[alpha2117]

Two words for you "HITLER YOUTH" organisataion that elects a former Nazi as their leader and then pretends to care about morality is clearly corrupt to it's core.

[rockabilly]

Wow , Heaven must be one Hell of a club to get into.

Distract Saint Peter and we can enter through the back door.

[SXFX]

Heaven....big freaking deal!
Name one cool person in heaven!
Elvis? NO!
The Stone? NO!

[droog]

The interviewer then asks the cardinal how he views homosexuality and transgendered people. Here's my translation of his answers:

A: "Transsexuals and homosexuals will not enter into the Kingdom of God, and I do not say this, but Saint Paul does."

i was under the impression that all humans were created equally. but if that impression is wrong, [according to this asshole] i guess everyone on this forum is fucked. but not like i, or i'm sure any of you, give a shit. not like we're gonna change how we're livin. just sounds to me like "the cardinal" in this article is actually the real evil, and he is using the ideology of the church to spread fear among people who just want to chill and enjoy their lives.