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[yodajazz]

Well I certainly agree that no good comes out of it. But what good is does it do to point out that a trans women is less than perfect, even if it is another transwoman doint the pointing? At the end of the day someone is attracted to her, but maybe less after someone accuses thier fanatsy girl as being a crossdresser brick. Why is it so important to attack someone's looks, when other people feel that all transexuals are an abomination before god.? They don't care that one has implants the other has hormone made breasts, or that one came out as trans earlier than the other.

And its not just transwomen here. Look at this quote from a so called man:

i must say your silicone injections look MIGHTY LUMPY my dear. youre looking QUITE MASCULINE! in high school they called you BUTCH!

I'll have to agree with you on this. This is a classic case of someone who needs their ass kicked. I go to a thread expecting to see a nice picture of model, and its been removed. And all that is left, is these punk assed bitches complaining aout someones looks. Does anyone know what he looks like, or what he was called in high school?

Too many transwomen already have body dysmorphia, and are always look at there own imperfections instead of their overall beauty. Then they come here among people who are attracted to trans women, only to be attacked. So what good does it do know that I think so and so is ugly?
Ain't a damn thing funny about this shit.

Parents, and ultimately society, create assholes; not the transgendered "community". High school is an unforgiving place for almost everyone, because kids are generally capable of being cruel. And body-dysmorphia is is not limited to M2Fs. All kinds of people have self esteem issues, and patronizing them is no real solution.

But being read by a sister means far more than it does by some closet case jock fagot. From another M2F, you're hearing it from one of your peers, and it often gives you the impetus to change something for the better. Girls don't read other girls because their masculinity is on the line. lol

Also, in the big picture, it means nothing to a TS. I could tell another TS that her voice is too deep, and she could say that I'm too tall. But at the end of the day, we know who the common enemy is; it's the transphobic hater who'd bash both our skulls in to prove that he's "no homo". That's why guys should really stfu when it comes to a TS vs TS beef. Correct each other, not us. Especially the anonymous fags. Let them give advice to that chickenshit mama's boy in the mirror. We don't need their "opinions".

I am not saying transgenders create assholes. I'm saying they don't belong here. But women reading other women only adds to the negativity. I'm around some real women on a regular basis and they are constantly complimenting one anothers hair, outfit, shoes etc. Now maybe they say something negative to their sister in private, but all I hear are compliments.

And speaking of high school, many girls seem like they believe those high school bullies were right all along. Their plan is to get enough surgeries so they will look perfect enough to join the bullies and make fun of everyone else, especially those 'fags'. But you are right, everyone has insecurities. Those bullies hide theirs, by attacking someone else. I see some of that going on here.

It may sound like a cliche, but this is true. Real beauty comes from the inside. It comes out of the mouth in the form of positive, constructive words and actions. The outside can be be changed. Transgenders are God's living proof of this. But real beauty does not have to change with time. One of the most beautiful women I know, just celebrated her 95th birthday!

[SarahG]

Well I certainly agree that no good comes out of it. But what good is does it do to point out that a trans women is less than perfect, even if it is another transwoman doint the pointing?

All this attention to flaws is like making fun of a paraplegic for not being able to walk, or a diabetic for not being able to have candy. It's ugly, it's unbecoming, and it's pointless.

Most trans girls have a few male characteristics unless they started in early puberty. Unless a girl has so much of an ego that she's fucking clueless- she's going to know it if her forehead isn't perfect or if her shoulders are a bit wide (and half of these flaws- i.e. shoulders, hands, feet can't be rectified by surgeries).

It's one thing when a girl thinks she's the most flawless representation of the female form ever to walk the face of the earth and then proceeds to tear into another girl's appearance (at which point, I'd say she needs a reality check or two).

It's another entirely when appearances are somehow supposed to be seen as the basis of credibility. If you can't advance your side of an argument without relying on talking about how the other side looks, that does far more to show one's intellectual short comings then it could ever show regarding one's personality (and it wouldn't be very endorsing of the later either).

[dgs925]

Sarah, I live for your comments. If I could hire you as a life coach I would.

If you can't advance your side of an argument without relying on talking about how the other side looks, that does far more to show one's intellectual short comings then it could ever show regarding one's personality (and it wouldn't be very endorsing of the later either).

http://www.hungangels.com/board/view...0840&start=110

[rockabilly]

Well I certainly agree that no good comes out of it. But what good is does it do to point out that a trans women is less than perfect, even if it is another transwoman doint the pointing?

All this attention to flaws is like making fun of a paraplegic for not being able to walk, or a diabetic for not being able to have candy. It's ugly, it's unbecoming, and it's pointless.

Most trans girls have a few male characteristics unless they started in early puberty. Unless a girl has so much of an ego that she's fucking clueless- she's going to know it if her forehead isn't perfect or if her shoulders are a bit wide (and half of these flaws- i.e. shoulders, hands, feet can't be rectified by surgeries).

It's one thing when a girl thinks she's the most flawless representation of the female form ever to walk the face of the earth and then proceeds to tear into another girl's appearance (at which point, I'd say she needs a reality check or two).

It's another entirely when appearances are somehow supposed to be seen as the basis of credibility. If you can't advance your side of an argument without relying on talking about how the other side looks, that does far more to show one's intellectual short comings then it could ever show regarding one's personality (and it wouldn't be very endorsing of the later either).

[Nicole Dupre]

This is a porn forum. Everyone enjoys the superficial aspects of a beautiful woman, but all of a sudden you turn into saints? Please. Sarah, you won't even show us what you look like. Rockabilly is online 24/7, has no life, and is obese. Yoda is always trying to play Gandhi. That is, unless he's attacking Danielle's jugular. And dgs925 is socially retarded and an outcast.

So I ask you, why chime in? None of you are even close to being TS sexworkers. It's simply not your world. Why so judgmental?

[SXFX]

[SarahG]

This is a porn forum. Everyone enjoys the superficial aspects of a beautiful woman, but all of a sudden you turn into saints? Please. Sarah, you won't even show us what you look like.

I would never claim to be a saint. This also isn't a new rant of mine. On the contrary, the one observation of mine that, in my experience, has been consistent everywhere involving trans spaces, are these attacks on peoples appearances.

Doesn't matter what the environment is- it can be a support forum, a forum like HA, a support group- it seems everywhere in trans spaces, there are people trying to attack others using appearances as the method of doing so. Every time there is an argument, no matter how trivial or pointless it may be- out comes the "oh but you don't have big tits" or "you use wigs" remarks, or the wrong pronouns, or the birth names when that information is known, or before/early transition pictures when they are available.

Most of the time when I see a wrong pronoun used, or a birth name, or before pictures, or early transition pictures- its coming from another trans girl. This has been one of my bigger complaints for years (not just on HA but on every forum I've actively participated on).

So I ask you, why chime in?

So why bring it up? That it happens so frequently in trans spaces ruins ALL credibility in trying to ask others to do better on these issues.

You can't honestly expect people to buy that guys, the press, or anyone else should use proper pronouns, proper names, and respect trans girls when trans girls are wholly and categorically incapable of doing such things to each other. Why the hell SHOULD any guy on here show a trans girl respect on this forum? Is this behavior that which would command respect, or is it behavior that would encourage more of the same?

It is not coincidental that some of the worst damage the trans community has had to face has been self inflicted. Whether we're talking about using external forces as divisionary tools (be it the "true"/"untrue" designations... or the "primary"/"Secondary" labels). AG theory wasn't invented by an outsider you know. I can think of dozens of examples like this or worse; like mid life crisis transitioners trying to keep HRT out of the hands of anyone under 30/35, or like that girl in Canada who was lobbying to remove HRT from Ontario's NHS with the intention of hurting other trans girls. Etc.

With all this (and more) belligerent behavior being put on parade in trans spaces everywhere & all the time, it's no wonder the media has so many sensationalized "crazy tranny" stories to use to convince the general public we're all batshit crazy. All it takes is a few salvage beatings or misplaced attempts at validation, or unnecessary violence to spill over before the public and then the media can go and say "see!? See?! I told you those freaks were nuts!!!"

Why have you been so tenacious in your opposition to true/untrue labels on HA? I mean if this is just a porn site where these things don't matter, then it is mind boggling that Peggy, Phobun, or anyone else would be able to offend you so easily on this stuff. Truth be told I wasn't even aiming my prior post at you. I don't read every thread on HA, but I have noticed a LOT of threads of late where this issue has reared its ugly head- and like in the past when this has happened, I made a post expressing my opinion of it.

[yodajazz]

This is a porn forum. Everyone enjoys the superficial aspects of a beautiful woman, but all of a sudden you turn into saints? Please. Sarah, you won't even show us what you look like.

I would never claim to be a saint. This also isn't a new rant of mine. On the contrary, the one observation of mine that, in my experience, has been consistent everywhere involving trans spaces, are these attacks on peoples appearances.

Doesn't matter what the environment is- it can be a support forum, a forum like HA, a support group- it seems everywhere in trans spaces, there are people trying to attack others using appearances as the method of doing so. Every time there is an argument, no matter how trivial or pointless it may be- out comes the "oh but you don't have big tits" or "you use wigs" remarks, or the wrong pronouns, or the birth names when that information is known, or before/early transition pictures when they are available.

Most of the time when I see a wrong pronoun used, or a birth name, or before pictures, or early transition pictures- its coming from another trans girl. This has been one of my bigger complaints for years (not just on HA but on every forum I've actively participated on).

So I ask you, why chime in?

So why bring it up? That it happens so frequently in trans spaces ruins ALL credibility in trying to ask others to do better on these issues.

You can't honestly expect people to buy that guys, the press, or anyone else should use proper pronouns, proper names, and respect trans girls when trans girls are wholly and categorically incapable of doing such things to each other. Why the hell SHOULD any guy on here show a trans girl respect on this forum? Is this behavior that which would command respect, or is it behavior that would encourage more of the same?

It is not coincidental that some of the worst damage the trans community has had to face has been self inflicted. Whether we're talking about using external forces as divisionary tools (be it the "true"/"untrue" designations... or the "primary"/"Secondary" labels). AG theory wasn't invented by an outsider you know. I can think of dozens of examples like this or worse; like mid life crisis transitioners trying to keep HRT out of the hands of anyone under 30/35, or like that girl in Canada who was lobbying to remove HRT from Ontario's NHS with the intention of hurting other trans girls. Etc.

With all this (and more) belligerent behavior being put on parade in trans spaces everywhere & all the time, it's no wonder the media has so many sensationalized "crazy tranny" stories to use to convince the general public we're all batshit crazy. All it takes is a few salvage beatings or misplaced attempts at validation, or unnecessary violence to spill over before the public and then the media can go and say "see!? See?! I told you those freaks were nuts!!!"

Why have you been so tenacious in your opposition to true/untrue labels on HA? I mean if this is just a porn site where these things don't matter, then it is mind boggling that Peggy, Phobun, or anyone else would be able to offend you so easily on this stuff. Truth be told I wasn't even aiming my prior post at you. I don't read every thread on HA, but I have noticed a LOT of threads of late where this issue has reared its ugly head- and like in the past when this has happened, I made a post expressing my opinion of it.

Exactly! And it directly addresses the original post in this thread.

...when feuding trannies call each other "he" or "fag". lol That is just priceless.

The current worse offender:

YOU SEE EVEN AT 15 I STILL HAD REAL HORMONE BREASTS, REAL HAIR AND I LOOKED CUNT! NO PHOTOSHOP! HA! YOU DIRTY LITTLE FAG!

Somebody joined to make this their fisrt post in a one page thread which had not had post in 10 months;

your not even a transexual or a drag queen you live as a man and put on a wig for a quick client ? thats a mess

[Nicole Dupre]

w/e

[Jim Brown]

I say we should boycott these tranny services from tranny who call other tranny him/guys/gay. I they call other tranny guys/gays that means they think of themselves the same way... and we don't fuck guys right? So why would you fuck them? so um lets starve these trannies until they have some respect for there own kind.

I can make the boycott list.