What happens to tgirls when they get old(er)?

[Nicole Dupre]

And this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronormativity

[peggygee]

Are you up on this stuff, Peggy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBL_controversy

I am indeed aware of the theories espoused by Blanchard, Bailey,
Lawrence, et al, and while I don't agree with them in totality, I feel that
there are elements of merit to it, much as the works of Benjamin
still have degrees of credibility.

In discussing and attempting to understand gender dysphoria we must
have some frame of reference. And while Blanchard and Bailey may not
have always employed the best techniques in validating and quantifying
their research, and then allowed themselves to become embroiled in
gender politics, I do applaud and encourage anyone who is willing to
attempt to bring some clarity to such a challenging subject.

[Nicole Dupre]

Today, I observe and speak with quite a few younger transwomen, who by choice or necessity seem to live only for today.

They appear to live as if their mantra was 'Live fast, die young and leave a
good looking corpse'

To me, that's casting shade.

And I think you should talk about your research, your charitable work, etc. Why be on a pre-op porn forum and not reveal more about that stuff?

To me, there's something odd about both you and Phobun being here. Both of you in your own ways are dissidents. Neither of you are of the thinking that pre-ops are at an ok place. You're both pushing the idea that transsexuality is a dysphoria of the individual, and not the society. It reeks of heterosexism imho.

[peggygee]

And this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronormativity

For myself, I most definetely subscibe to a binary definition of gender - male, female.

Third gender, gender variant, gender queer are not an option gender
orientation wise for me, though admittedly I am mildly bisexual, though
that is an issue of sexual orientation moreso.

[Nicole Dupre]

Are you up on this stuff, Peggy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBL_controversy

I am indeed aware of the theories espoused by Blanchard, Bailey,
Lawrence, et al, and while I don't agree with them in totality, I feel that
there are elements of merit to it, much as the works of Benjamin
still have degrees of credibility.

In discussing and attempting to understand gender dysphoria we must
have some frame of reference. And while Blanchard and Bailey may not
have always employed the best techniques in validating and quantifying
their research, and then allowed themselves to become embroiled in
gender politics, I do applaud and encourage anyone who is willing to
attempt to bring some clarity to such a challenging subject.

So you feel that there are true and untrue transsexuals?

Do you feel that you had SRS because it corrected a mistake, or because it just made life easier? Was it easier to feel at home in your own skin because people like Phobun wouldn't assign freak-status to you? Btw, what do you think of the way Phobun speaks to me? Or, let's put it another way. Even if you would absolve me of such things, does his philosophy have merit?

[Nicole Dupre]

And this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronormativity

For myself, I most definetely subscibe to a binary definition of gender - male, female.

Third gender, gender variant, gender queer are not an option gender
orientation wise for me, though admittedly I am mildly bisexual, though
that is an issue of sexual orientation moreso.

So the third gender is not an option. Does that make you a pseudo woman? Because you aren't a biological one. Are you one of God's imperfect creatures?

[Nicole Dupre]

One last question. If "vaginas are beautiful", aren't cocks beautiful too? And if they are, doesn't that mean a beautiful woman can have a beautiful cock? Or does a cock look ugly on a woman? Being mildly bi, what do you think? Does a cock look good on a chick?

[dc_guy_75]

Gender is definitely not binary....

Just ask the South African Olympic committee.

Are cocks beautiful? That depends on the person.

[Nicole Dupre]

Gender is definitely not binary....

Just ask the South African Olympic committee.

Are cocks beautiful? That depends on the person.

You mean on the cock, right? Do girls look less feminine with cocks, or just less capable of procreation. Do genitals define our gender?

[peggygee]

Today, I observe and speak with quite a few younger transwomen, who by choice or necessity seem to live only for today.

They appear to live as if their mantra was 'Live fast, die young and leave a
good looking corpse'

To me, that's casting shade.

And I think you should talk about your research, your charitable work, etc. Why be on a pre-op porn forum and not reveal more about that stuff?

To me, there's something odd about both you and Phobun being here. Both of you in your own ways are dissidents. Neither of you are of the thinking that pre-ops are at an ok place. You're both pushing the idea that transsexuality is a dysphoria of the individual, and not the society. It reeks of heterosexism imho.

I wil stick by my statement that by necessity or choice a fair number of
transwomen are not planning for the future.

This can even be evidenced by this thread, we are not seeing many
responses to the question "What happens to tgirls when they get old er)?".

As to your contenton that I see being pre op as a problem, again I will
maintain that you are incorrect. There are many pre op, (though perhaps
non op would be more accurate) women who are very happy with their
penis, they do not suffer any angst from it. Indeed it could be said that
they do not suffer from gender dysphoria.

And I think you should talk about your research, your charitable work, etc. Why be on a pre-op porn forum and not reveal more about that stuff?

Much like many of the other members of this and other forums, I write on
many things, some GID related, some not, but I am certain that there has
been no paucity of information from me on the topic.

Admittedly, my posts my not have dick pics, or be of a pruient nature, and
can at times be pedantic and verbose, but they are there for anyone that
wants to peruse them.