OK to be with a TS because they say they are really female

[trrlex]

does anyone else here feel a degree of guilt for their attraction to TS ladies ?
if not than why keep it a secret ?

Established social conventions based on archaic concepts of morality dictate that homosexuality is wrong or abnormal. While most of us here do not subscribe to said conventions, many of us have friends and family that do. This can lead to social complications and even ostracization, and is why most of us aren't open about our attraction to transsexuals.

[Nicole Dupre]

You wrote that you are attracted to "TS ladies" but I bet that you like pre-ops in particular (like most guys here). The fact she is TS or looks like a lady is not enough... she has to sport a dick too.

But in your world, liking dick would otherwise make you gay. Thus you premise your attraction on her self-perception as female (as you indicated in your first post in this thread). What if a pre-op does not yet consider herself female, or what if she considers herself the third sex, as Danielle Foxx has described?

Your justification is full of holes, so it is no surprise that it does not ease your cognitive dissonance about sucking dick. At least you're wise enough to keep your rationale for being a tranny chaser from your friends, because it does not even convince yourself.

In order to ease your doubts, dump the superstitious mind control and accept the fact that you're attracted to the male sex organ. That is what you like; accept yourself as you are. I hope you find internal peace, otherwise you'd probably end up hating any pre-op with whom you fall in love.

God, you are ripe for therapy, and I genuinely pity you. You're talking to yourself again here. This is one of the most sad cases of self-projection ever on HA. Seriously, get some help somewhere. http://www.earthtym.net/bal-project.htm

[eclipsemint]

There's a sound sub-conscious reason why he called himself phobun when he joined HA.

He's always homophob-in' to the other forum members.

[loren]

There's a sound sub-conscious reason why he called himself phobun when he joined HA.

He's always homophob-in' to the other forum members.

how true

[blacktgirls]

I justify my attraction to TS ladies because they say that it was a biological mistake that they were born male and that they are actually female . Do other men here have doubts like myself that it is not ok to be attracted to or have sex with TS girls ?

i feel that if the Ts says she is female and lives as a woman than my desires for her are not a sin ,

• but i have doubts that i am only using this as a justification .

having sex with men is homosexual behavior and is a sin .

• hence , all the " is it gay " , or " am i gay " threads on HA .

i think that most of the posters on HA probably keep their interest in TS ladies a secret from other people .

You wrote that you are attracted to "TS ladies" but I bet that you like pre-ops in particular (like most guys here). The fact she is TS or looks like a lady is not enough... she has to sport a dick too.

But in your world, liking dick would otherwise make you gay. Thus you premise your attraction on her self-perception as female (as you indicated in your first post in this thread). What if a pre-op does not yet consider herself female, or what if she considers herself the third sex, as Danielle Foxx has described?

Your justification is full of holes, so it is no surprise that it does not ease your cognitive dissonance about sucking dick. At least you're wise enough to keep your rationale for being a tranny chaser from your friends, because it does not even convince yourself.

In order to ease your doubts, dump the superstitious mind control and accept the fact that you're attracted to the male sex organ. That is what you like; accept yourself as you are. I hope you find internal peace, otherwise you'd probably end up hating any pre-op with whom you fall in love.

your description of this quandary is right on and probable most of the guys here use this same reasoning for why having sex with a TS is not gay .

• your solution is that i choose my own belief on whether it is right or wrong and that whichever i choose , as long as i accept myself , will make it ok .

i wish it were this simple and that my spiritual doubts would dissapear.

• most of the TS girls say they are straight in their profiles on escort and dating sites .

yet , a couple of TS girls on HA are always calling us guys , " FAGGOTS !!!!! " , so it seems that even these two TS girls don't have the answer .

• i guess these doubts on wether it's gay or not to suck TS cock can only be solved between one' s self and God .

myself , i'm afraid to bring it up .

[moscowradcliffe]

I justify my attraction to TS ladies because they say that it was a biological mistake that they were born male and that they are actually female . Do other men here have doubts like myself that it is not ok to be attracted to or have sex with TS girls ?

i feel that if the Ts says she is female and lives as a woman than my desires for her are not a sin ,

• but i have doubts that i am only using this as a justification .

having sex with men is homosexual behavior and is a sin .

• hence , all the " is it gay " , or " am i gay " threads on HA .

i think that most of the posters on HA probably keep their interest in TS ladies a secret from other people .

You wrote that you are attracted to "TS ladies" but I bet that you like pre-ops in particular (like most guys here). The fact she is TS or looks like a lady is not enough... she has to sport a dick too.

But in your world, liking dick would otherwise make you gay. Thus you premise your attraction on her self-perception as female (as you indicated in your first post in this thread). What if a pre-op does not yet consider herself female, or what if she considers herself the third sex, as Danielle Foxx has described?

Your justification is full of holes, so it is no surprise that it does not ease your cognitive dissonance about sucking dick. At least you're wise enough to keep your rationale for being a tranny chaser from your friends, because it does not even convince yourself.

In order to ease your doubts, dump the superstitious mind control and accept the fact that you're attracted to the male sex organ. That is what you like; accept yourself as you are. I hope you find internal peace, otherwise you'd probably end up hating any pre-op with whom you fall in love.

your description of this quandary is right on and probable most of the guys here use this same reasoning for why having sex with a TS is not gay .

• your solution is that i choose my own belief on whether it is right or wrong and that whichever i choose , as long as i accept myself , will make it ok .

i wish it were this simple and that my spiritual doubts would dissapear.

• most of the TS girls say they are straight in their profiles on escort and dating sites .

yet , a couple of TS girls on HA are always calling us guys , " FAGGOTS !!!!! " , so it seems that even these two TS girls don't have the answer .

• i guess these doubts on wether it's gay or not to suck TS cock can only be solved between one' s self and God .

myself , i'm afraid to bring it up .

moscow agrees and so does Dan Savage!

http://slippery-digit.blogspot.com/2...e-you-gay.html

[phobun]

your description of this quandary is right on and probable most of the guys here use this same reasoning for why having sex with a TS is not gay .

• your solution is that i choose my own belief on whether it is right or wrong and that whichever i choose , as long as i accept myself , will make it ok .

i wish it were this simple and that my spiritual doubts would dissapear.

• most of the TS girls say they are straight in their profiles on escort and dating sites .

yet , a couple of TS girls on HA are always calling us guys , " FAGGOTS !!!!! " , so it seems that even these two TS girls don't have the answer .

• i guess these doubts on wether it's gay or not to suck TS cock can only be solved between one' s self and God .

myself , i'm afraid to bring it up .

Only a few call individuals here call guys "faggots" or "queers" and of these, I would say none are truly girls. First of all, why would a self-assured transsexual woman need to put a guy down using such a slur, and secondly, why would she even want to say it? Generally, transsexuals desire to appear feminine, but you probably can't picture your sister or mom or GG girlfriends acting so crudely.

The girls who attack guys are the most insecure of all, and for good reason. But what to expect if you look like a hairless male biker with a boa? What to expect if you have tiny male nipples and overpaid for a breast augmentation (no doubt performed with this instrument)? What to expect if no one gave a damn about your "Ask ____" thread, or if you knew better than to even start one, as you watch sweet Alyssa's thread go to 70+ pages? Just ignore the bitter, aging clowns who try to put you down.

You believe in God, and I respect that. You probably believe that he already knows what's in your heart and that he knows you're imperfect. Perhaps there is value in how you approach your interest? Transsexuality has always been a source of distress for humans, so maybe you are helping others to heal their dysphoria by treating and accepting them as women, rather than by throwing stones and crying sinner, or by primarily focusing on your own self-indulgent pleasures like so many cock-bandits do?

It's not easy to dump a belief system you probably grew up with, but for the sake of others, bear your cross quietly. You are the imperfect man you are, and that is not going to change. Realizing yourself for the man you are will remove a poisonous element that can make others feel uncomfortable. But if nothing else, focus on accepting others first, rather than your own insecurities. Transsexuals are women and want to be treated as such, so if you're a self-confident and attentive gentleman to the woman you admire, you'll obviate anyone's attempt to belittle you as a queer.

[jimbobw2]

So would it be a sin if they where men? Is it a sin to find someone beautiful and be attracted to them because of it? I think you're looking at this the wrong way. The only sin is living a lie by not admitting that you are attracted to someone because you're afraid of what people may think.

having sex with men is homosexual behavior and is a sin .

• hence , all the " is it gay " , or " am i gay " threads on HA .

i think that most of the posters on HA probably keep their interest in TS ladies a secret from other people .

you are gay...

[Legend]

I think when guys say they hide their interest in transsexuals(which is a cowardly act in my opinion) a secret its really saying they still think of transgender women as guys because they don't wanna be preceived as being gay by there peers, a real guy wouldn't be so insecure about himself to care what other people think of him or his transsexual date or whatever, he would always look a her as a female and wouldn't give a damn what other people think.


And guys who say stuff like being gay is a sin and things like "no homo" really come off as the opposite of what they're trying to portray themselves to be.This very guy invented the term "no homo",




"no homo" yeah right.

[Nicole Dupre]

Honestly, I call guys like Belial "fags" and "queers" because they're so damn obnoxious ,thinking they're somehow a higher life form than anyone who fall into the LGBT category. Belial's got his head up his ass if he thinks the lynch mobs would skip over him if they knew what he enjoyed jerking off to. To the typical homophobic hater, he might as well be gay. But catch this: WE ALL MIGHT AS WELL BE GAY. SO GET USED TO IT UNLESS YOU'RE READY TO CHANGE IT, YOU FAGGOTS.

Btw, wtf would be so bad about being gay if you really were? What other people would think of you? I mean, you've got to be kidding us all, if that's what it boils down to for you. Spare us, please.

Saying that TS are 'just a fetish' is also pure nonsense. Fetishes relate to inanimate objects, not other human beings. We're real people, made of flesh and blood. Call a spade a "spade", and move on. Imo the deep denial those guys live in is far worse than any sexuality ever could be. The guys who make us a dirty little secret 'fetish' deserve to give the donation the most. You can't have your cake and eat it too, fellas.

As for the OP, who's wrestling with a morality issue here; that's the saddest, if not the silliest, problem you could ever have with being attracted to transsexuals. Sex between consenting adults is a cake walk. Yet he's acting like he's been jerking off to snuff or kiddie porn.