Trannies are getting fucked!

[GroobySteven]

Seanchai interesting one about affiliates as on 1 hand i agree paying out 50% is high , but bettr to make 50% than fuck all ...as without that affiliate you wouldnt have got that sign up ...

Well that's the argument FOR affiliates Libby and once upon a time it made sense and we will still do it, but be more selective. For example, you are going to be competing with your affiliates for the same traffic. If they beat you to that sale, you've lost $X. At what point would it take you, to have found that same potential member?
You post on HungAngels (and other boards), you have blogs, yahoo groups, you can do search engine, you can swap links with other models with blogs, etc.
Yes some affiliates are needed for sure but many, many others are finding members you could have gotten yourself ... it may have taken a little longer, but they would have found you.

The affiliate model is dying, there are too many affiliates showing too much free content.
Shemale Pornstar is our test, we're working with near to zero affiliates which means every 100 of our members, are worth 200 is we were getting affiliate sales. Do the math - I'll work with you on a campaign when your site is ready to go and show you where you should be promoting or which affiliates you should be using before you give it out to all the droll ones.

[Tara Emory]

For some reason it says "Tamara" Emory. WTF? You gotta change that. I HATE that name, and it's not my name!

We changed your name.
If you'd been in a union, you'd have rights. As your not, you don't.

You are thence known as Tamara Emara as we liked the sound better.

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oh, go on then, we'll change it and shoot the person who fucked it up.

How about Tamara Enema?

[LibertyHarkness]

okies look forward to speaking with you soon about it

[Tara Emory]

Seanchai interesting one about affiliates as on 1 hand i agree paying out 50% is high , but bettr to make 50% than fuck all ...as without that affiliate you wouldnt have got that sign up ...

Well that's the argument FOR affiliates Libby and once upon a time it made sense and we will still do it, but be more selective. For example, you are going to be competing with your affiliates for the same traffic. If they beat you to that sale, you've lost $X. At what point would it take you, to have found that same potential member?
You post on HungAngels (and other boards), you have blogs, yahoo groups, you can do search engine, you can swap links with other models with blogs, etc.
Yes some affiliates are needed for sure but many, many others are finding members you could have gotten yourself ... it may have taken a little longer, but they would have found you.

The affiliate model is dying, there are too many affiliates showing too much free content.
Shemale Pornstar is our test, we're working with near to zero affiliates which means every 100 of our members, are worth 200 is we were getting affiliate sales. Do the math - I'll work with you on a campaign when your site is ready to go and show you where you should be promoting or which affiliates you should be using before you give it out to all the droll ones.

I don't think the affiliate model is working that well for me either, though it's too early to tell. I have found that there are quite a lot of people who have heard of me, and in the 7 or so years I've had my site, I've probably had thousands upon thousands of people be members to my site at one point or another. The trick is to have those 1000's to all be member's at the same time, and to keep them interested and keep them renewing their memberships.

I don't think the affiliates are really going to hit all that many people who haven't heard of me already. It might help to show them that I'm more active than I used to be, as nothing turns off members like thinking that a particular model is going to abandon their website or go into retirement.

What I hope to happen with affiliates is that I want people to promote my site in places where I wouldn't normally be able to hit.. Different markets, maybe even in different countries, or different languages. I don't know what the prospects for that could be, but wouldn't it be cool if my stuff was huge in Japan or something? I have no idea at all how to make a portal page in Japanese, but if an affilate does, and that gets me memberships, then great!

-tara

-Tara

[WendyWilliams]

As a producer and talent I have alot of views but dont want to step on any toes or anger anyone so Ill just say I agree with Jade. When I started my company years ago I didnt have money to pay 1000 (going rate then) for a hardcore. So girls like Jade, Danielle, Kourtney, Joanna, Farrah ETC would shoot for cost of travel, x number of dvd's to sell to their fans and copy of the pics for their website. In the long run they could benefit with the mateiral than the quick money. It was ladies like that who thought LONG TERM that were successful. When I started out I did alot of trades, selling of the dvd's, asking for my URL on material or trades because branding my name was more important than the quick cash. If a girl didnt want to do than so be it and alot of girls said NO THANKYOU! However it was those girls I sent referrals to other companies and promote heavily on my blogs as an affiliate. I have been blessed with a steady career of almost 7 years now. Ive worked for content trade, small fee's and been paid up too 6k for a scene but in the long run I have tried to make business decisions for the future of my name branding and my website. Now that Ive established my name I can pick and choose to only work for Shemale Club and Grooby as they pay me a nice rate but PROMOTE me heavily which is more important than paying me some huge number. Even as the AVN Performer of the Year Ive been offered low money for a scene but instead of saying no (unless it was for someone I didnt care to work for) it becomes an negotiation of what ELSE can you do for me.......................

It is YOUR decision to pick and choose your work and what you want out of it, I just dont see $$$ as the only available option for my work. If a dvd company will list my URL on their dvd's and send me 30 copies of a dvd that I can sell to clients and fans for 25 bucks than I have made 750 just from the dvds I got for FREE plus the low 500 for the scene AND future website memberships so in the long term its beneficial for me to just negotiate.

Some girls and producers have said I was "taking advantage" of new girls buy paying a lower fee HOWEVER I have always offered MORE to justify the low money like dvd's, website on their galleries and giving them the pics for their sites. HOWEVER Ive always made it clear as what options I have and if they agree great and if not than no hard feelings.

I would never join a "union" of any sorts as I prefer to negotiate whats good for me and my business.

But you can say whatever you want about my course but apparently its working as Im one of only three Individual ts's to run a successful production company that is known on the ts market along side of Gia Darling and Joanna Jet.

[Adultlexicon]

the transexual niche is by far not as big as the straight niche.

also alot of transexual models who are very poluar are from Brazil and 300 dollar is good money in brazil. so why pay 1500 for a Amrican model who isnt that popular.

believe me there alot girl girls who dont get 1500 dollar for a scene.

You cant compare Big pornstar who have millions of fans to an Transexual model who maby has a few 1000 fans.

no hard feelings and i would like to see it different , but thats how it think it is

[Adultlexicon]

All great post with guys here saying TS should get paid 2K for a scene. Maby you people should start buying Porn instead of leeching it from tubes or other places who share TS content for free.

(ofcourse im talking to the ppl who actually leech)

[SugaSweet]

Adultlexicon,the free uploaded material is what many Industry publications and web sites say is killing them.I am sure that is part of the situation along with the economy in general.
I also blame an industry that has went toward quantity and not quality.I do not see any female porn stars who could touch the beauty of Heather Hunter,Felecia,Barbara Dare,Deidre Holland these days.They look instead like 'cookie cutter' material put together on assembly lines.

[ilove2swallow]

Sooo... what do we do about it? Some kind of TS models union, this could maybe work in specific countries if all girls stick together and do not work for any less than a set rate - a bog standard minium. This is really difficult to co-ordinate on a global scale thogh I would imagine, simply based on global economy..

Another alternative is stop looking at shoots for websites/DVDS as your "bread and buttah" (danny dyer impression) and look at it more as a get your face out there / advertising and your being paid for the privilege.

If you can work on that basis and concentrate on a solo site that you own / run yourself rather than stuck in a 50/50 deal then you can turn the tables on how this niche works - to a degree. Do not misunderstand me though, I am not saying that I agree with being paid less/low amounts compared to other niches... for hardcore shoots with websites or DVDS See your point totally

The best is when you do a "shared content" shoot that is agreed not for DVD and half a year later your on the cover of a DVD... ;O

Thats just it it's not my bread and butter, I'm a succesful tattoo artist. Point is trannies are being takken advantage of.....bottom line

if you can't beat em join em right?

anyone want to shoot for me? I'll make a fucking dvd!

Start a tranny mafia like the Brazilians

[alyssats]

All great post with guys here saying TS should get paid 2K for a scene. Maby you people should start buying Porn instead of leeching it from tubes or other places who share TS content for free.

(ofcourse im talking to the ppl who actually leech)

+1 the money will be a big help for TS girls especially for transition, beauty maintenance and paying the bills

so please dont be a cheap charlie