Passable or not passable, what if a girl was NOT passable??

[kalina]

I just listened to this. It's a very powerful speech. You're AWESOME!

[eclipsemint]

While it is nice to look at photos of catwalk models and top celebrities, I would never actually expect to be with one of them.

The only way would be to pay thousands of dollars to spend a night with a top escort.

But models and celebrities represent only 0.1% of the mainstream population.

The expectations of Joe Citizen are lower.

What I am leading to is that a transgender girl would not have to be 100% passable for me to want to talk to her, spend time with her, have sex with her or have a relationship with her.

But she would have to have a certain amount of femininity or I wouldn't find her attractive in the first place. I wouldn't fall for a guy who likes to dress in drag, by comparison.

[kalina]

I just added this to my October 4 blog entry: "I've always thought Reina Valentino was a fabulous entertainer and her recent message about passability is a powerful, inspiring message filled with hope for all transsexuals." I added a link to your YouTube video, too.

[TsVanessa69]

I just added this to my October 4 blog entry: "I've always thought Reina Valentino was a fabulous entertainer and her recent message about passability is a powerful, inspiring message filled with hope for all transsexuals." I added a link to your YouTube video, too.

Thank you doll!

[TsVanessa69]

Vanessa, don't berate yourself. You are far from ugly......

dont kid yourself IT is fuckin ugly as hell

if ur that ugly the least u could do is not inconvenience people by showing ur ugly face on a forum where ppl are tryin to jack off

Somebody is looking to be banned from here real soon!

[surfblue]

Vanessa, don't berate yourself. You are far from ugly......

dont kid yourself IT is fuckin ugly as hell

if ur that ugly the least u could do is not inconvenience people by showing ur ugly face on a forum where ppl are tryin to jack off

Somebody is looking to be banned from here real soon!

with what you and others have said to me, how is what i said even remotely bannable? double standards much?

[buckjohnson]

KALINA.
You are very passable.

[Random532]

dont kid yourself IT is fuckin ugly as hell

if ur that ugly the least u could do is not inconvenience people by showing ur ugly face on a forum where ppl are tryin to jack off

Dude, you are a total cunt. I hope you die of something unpleasant.

To come onto topic, where I live in Europe, I quite often go for drinks and dinners etc with a few trans friends and until quite recently I didn't really even think too much about passable/non passable, I think I just assumed they all were. Well one day after I'd been over at one friend's house she had to go work at a bar in town afterwards so we walked to the tube together to grab the train. It was maybe 10ish pm on a Friday or Saturday. As we walked past a bar on the way to the station I heard a couple of guys very noticeably "whisper" something along the lines of "DUDE, THAT IS A MAN!". I felt really ashamed to be honest at first and then just upset. My friend didn't make any sign that she'd heard but when we got onto the tube she deliberately sat opposite rather than next to me and didn't give any sign to the tube that we were together, almost like she was trying to spare me the "embarrassment" or something. I was pretty quiet all the way to her stop, and when she got off I am ashamed to say I just gave her a wave rather than a big hug like I normally would have done. feel terrible now but I did feel embarrassed, although not the embarrassment that she felt, it was more embarrassed that she had to hear that and put up with it from people and a bit uncomfortable that we shared that nasty moment.

It's made me much more aware I must admit, I know actually do notice people looking at my friends and I sometimes catch myself wondering if that's what they are thinking. I liked it more when I just assumed no one ever knew anything haha.

Anyway, I guess what I mean to say is that I think passability is something that is quite a difficult topic. Those who are passable think it's not a big deal at all, because, guess what, they pass, so it's never a hassle for them. For those who can't always pass, it's probably a pretty major daily hassle and a big potential knock on the self-esteem.

Oh, also, it's late, but thanks for those great posts Zoe, real eye-openers. Good luck getting back to where you want to be, I'm sure you can.

[unctrld1]

dont kid yourself IT is fuckin ugly as hell

if ur that ugly the least u could do is not inconvenience people by showing ur ugly face on a forum where ppl are tryin to jack off

Dude, you are a total cunt. I hope you die of something unpleasant.

To come onto topic, where I live in Europe, I quite often go for drinks and dinners etc with a few trans friends and until quite recently I didn't really even think too much about passable/non passable, I think I just assumed they all were. Well one day after I'd been over at one friend's house she had to go work at a bar in town afterwards so we walked to the tube together to grab the train. It was maybe 10ish pm on a Friday or Saturday. As we walked past a bar on the way to the station I heard a couple of guys very noticeably "whisper" something along the lines of "DUDE, THAT IS A MAN!". I felt really ashamed to be honest at first and then just upset. My friend didn't make any sign that she'd heard but when we got onto the tube she deliberately sat opposite rather than next to me and didn't give any sign to the tube that we were together, almost like she was trying to spare me the "embarrassment" or something. I was pretty quiet all the way to her stop, and when she got off I am ashamed to say I just gave her a wave rather than a big hug like I normally would have done. feel terrible now but I did feel embarrassed, although not the embarrassment that she felt, it was more embarrassed that she had to hear that and put up with it from people and a bit uncomfortable that we shared that nasty moment.

It's made me much more aware I must admit, I know actually do notice people looking at my friends and I sometimes catch myself wondering if that's what they are thinking. I liked it more when I just assumed no one ever knew anything haha.

Anyway, I guess what I mean to say is that I think passability is something that is quite a difficult topic. Those who are passable think it's not a big deal at all, because, guess what, they pass, so it's never a hassle for them. For those who can't always pass, it's probably a pretty major daily hassle and a big potential knock on the self-esteem.

Oh, also, it's late, but thanks for those great posts Zoe, real eye-openers. Good luck getting back to where you want to be, I'm sure you can.

Random, has your friend treated you differently since the incident? Was she disappointed in what happened in the tube?

[alyssats]

actually being passable and ultrafeminine also have lots of disadvantages