tv verses ts

[buckjohnson]

Captain;

"actually" and "some" are considered, in the debate society, weasel words. Do you think that it does, or is it it a general assumption?

When a woman dresses as you describe, it is for her partner, not for her own pleasure or for folks to jack off to on the internet.

As a daily wearer of white shirts, I do not find them sexy or comfortable

[yodajazz]

There needs to be a sub-board on HA for cross-dressers, IMO.

They shouldn't automatically be lumped in with transgendered women, although I know some guys here really don't care either way.

I do know if this was a TV/CD board, I wouldn't be here.

visually, theres a fine line.
the real difference lies in the mind.

so thats easier said than done.


bob in accounting can be dying inside because transitioning to female isnt an option.

while your favorite escort may be a gay man thru and thru but the money is better with long hair and implants.

Exactly Alyssa! This is why we should not be judging by appearances. (That's straight out of the Bible). Obviously good looking people of any gender are going to be viewed favorably by looks alone. But we here should not do so much judging based upon that. One thing is that so many have made amazing transformations. The other is that people's identity evolves over time.

I see some of that on YouTube. In one case a male starts off doing makeup videos using his male name. But recently he made a new channel no longer using the male name, and calls himself a 'tranny'.

[CaptainGeech]

I got to admit I like that look. Usually wearing the white shirt looking all cute fresh out of bed.

[masterR]

Just a question ? for all Before a person becomes a transexual , dont they start out being a transvestite,

[buckjohnson]

I believe the diff is a tv wants to remained their "birth" gender, and a ts has a more natural affiliation with not their assigned gender but their gender of their conscience

[Felicia Katt]

One size never fits all. Never rely just on a label.

FK

[LTR_Seeker]

if they have kitty legs that neevr end im for it

[SarahG]

Just a question ? for all Before a person becomes a transexual , dont they start out being a transvestite,

Hell no.

It is possible to be both TV and TS, but the two situations are quite different.

By the books TS is an identity disorder where failure to treat causes psychological duress.

By the books TV is a sexual fetish that involves wearing clothes of the opposite sex.

[SarahG]

So you ok with the dichtomy of females who dress like males but don't fanatsize about it and men who dress like females but do? Why is the fantasy component is characteristic present in one group and absent in the other?

The fact that GG TV's are so rare should, SHOULD, be a clue that the way the shrinks look at transvestism is all wrong.

But these pseudo-scientists have an agenda that they're trying to advance, and are unwilling to let the facts & reality get in the way of their arguments.

In practice you will find that when it comes to fashion there are major differences between male clothing and female clothing.

In the case of male clothing, guys clothes are designed around comfort and practicality. Its all function oriented.

In the case of female clothing, that is all true to a point- but by and large, female clothing is designed primarily to turn on men. Everything; practicality, function, comfort, cost- all that is subject to being sacrificed in the name of turning on guys (just look at shoes). The fashion industry intentionally tries to fetishize female clothing. They don't just want GG's buying clothing to turn on their BF's & husbands, but they also want them being turned on by the clothing themselves (just look at the marketing and you can see this quite easily). They want women to see the clothing itself as "sexy," and try to sell it that way. How many times have you seen people talk about how "women all have foot fetishes"? You don't see guys getting parts of their toes cut off so they can fit in expensive shoes better!

I have to wonder, given how asymmetrical transvestism is in our society, if what's really going on here is not about the sex the clothing is meant for, but what it is meant to do; and in the case of female clothing that means "turn people on." There are a lot of GG's who fetishize female clothing, there are very few GB's who fetishize male clothing.

Another thought to ponder; when we do see GB TV's, usually they don't just wear ANY female clothing they get their hands on. No, usually they wear overly sexual clothing- like lingerie, or adult costumes, short skirts, stripper heels- they don't usually dress like GG's do on a normal, every day basis. When was the last time you saw a TV dress like a dyke?

We see a huge amount of guys putting on female clothing to masturbate, but how often do we see GG's making posts about how they "put on their BF's suit to masturbate"? Almost never, right? Perhaps because guys' clothing is rarely, if ever, designed to turn anyone on.

Consider when we do find someone who is both TS and TV. It happens, but its rare. When was the last time you saw a MtF who transitioned, and then liked to put on guy's clothing to masturbate? Very very rarely. And yet we find far more FtM TS's who transition, and then put on female clothing to masturbate.

Seems pretty obvious to me.

[masterR]

Wow thats enlightening,